I think the answer yes. I think that has been Folignos problem his whole career. Not consistent enough.
- MCGUIZZY

Maybe a disco Dan can reach him. He is a valuable piece when he plays with a purpose...if not, trade bait...maybe FolignoFoligno for Drouin

I tend to agree. but i do think he would fit a need for us. Hes certainly an upgrade over moulson, gionta ect.
- MCGUIZZY

A low bar there for sure.

I know I am clearly overestimating his value, but I am not trading Girgensons, or some combination of Girgensons, Pysyk, Guhle, picks, etc. for anything than other than a proven talent at the NHL level, and Drouin is definitely not that yet.

That is the reason I would not trade for him.

Ya, pieces are falling into place...Gionta on 3rd with Larson.
I really like Foligno's game the last 4 or 5...the question is ...is this another appearance and the he disappears for 10 a 15 games?
Also, Schaller and Varonne look solid...that spells the end for Legwan at trade deadline in my mind.
- IonSabres

Yeah writing is on the wall with Schaller getting a lot of PK time. I actually like the old bugger on the team, but oh well. Retain 50% and move him for another Jack Nevins I guess.

A low bar there for sure.

I know I am clearly overestimating his value, but I am not trading Girgensons, or some combination of Girgensons, Pysyk, Guhle, picks, etc. for anything than other than a proven talent at the NHL level, and Drouin is definitely not that yet.

That is the reason I would not trade for him.
- kingcong39

Thats a fair argument

Maybe a disco Dan can reach him. He is a valuable piece when he plays with a purpose...if not, trade bait...maybe FolignoFoligno for Drouin
- IonSabres

I have lost patience when it comes to Foligno. He just leaves you wanting more way to often. I think D-Lo is a way more effective 4th line guy

I have lost patience when it comes to Foligno. He just leaves you wanting more way to often. I think D-Lo is a way more effective 4th line guy
- MCGUIZZY

I think FolignoFoligno,was playing 3rd with Larson and Gionta right? Moulson appears to be odd man out when DeLo gets back.
I like Legwan too, but he is history, might as well get something...he can add value to a playoff team looking to add experience and vet presence.

Ya, pieces are falling into place...Gionta on 3rd with Larson.
I really like Foligno's game the last 4 or 5...the question is ...is this another appearance and the he disappears for 10 a 15 games?
Also, Schaller and Varonne look solid...that spells the end for Legwan at trade deadline in my mind.
- IonSabres

Legwan spelled the end of Legwan at the trade deadline.

Legwan spelled the end of Legwan at the trade deadline.
- sskkoo1

Maybe we can get a 2016 1st from say the 21st placed team for him...wouldn't that be a hoot...Lehner would then be Free, lol.
Ok - I'm awake now

Maybe we can get a 2016 1st from say the 21st placed team for him...wouldn't that be a hoot...Lehner would then be Free, lol.
Ok - I'm awake now
- IonSabres

You still gonna jaw him after letting in 2 goals on 35 last night? I respect the persistence but...

You still gonna jaw him after letting in 2 goals on 35 last night? I respect the persistence but...
- RhinoFan

Your shot in the dark was aimed in the wrong direction.
Go back and find any line where I ever got on Lehner, or GMTM for the move.
In fact I have been arguing for patience for the balance of this year while he gets his game back after 11 months away from it. Furthermore, I've supported GMTM for going after it.
Try again though.

I will say though, I am surprised that he has played as well as he has, again because of the 11 month layoff...not because I think he sucks. I like the kids attitude in net and hope he succeeds.

A low bar there for sure.

I know I am clearly overestimating his value, but I am not trading Girgensons, or some combination of Girgensons, Pysyk, Guhle, picks, etc. for anything than other than a proven talent at the NHL level, and Drouin is definitely not that yet.

That is the reason I would not trade for him.
- kingcong39

To be fair, none of the bolded are really proven either.

Girgensons went from a potential top 6 center, to scoring what 3 goals in 30 some odd games this year? Pysyk has 90 games under his belt averaging bottom pair minutes, and Guhle is a prospect.

I get what you are saying, and mostly agree, but any proven top 6 player, or top 2 defensemen is going to cost much more than someone like Girgensons at this point

Your shot in the dark was aimed in the wrong direction.
Go back and find any line where I ever got on Lehner, or GMTM for the move.
In fact I have been arguing for patience for the balance of this year while he gets his game back after 11 months away from it. Furthermore, I've supported GMTM for going after it.
Try again though.

I will say though, I am surprised that he has played as well as he has, again because of the 11 month layoff...not because I think he sucks. I like the kids attitude in net and hope he succeeds.
- IonSabres

All the references to the 21st pick and getting it back lead me to another place. I apologize for the misrepresentation of your opinion. Carry on...nothing to see here and all that.

All the references to the 21st pick and getting it back lead me to another place. I apologize for the misrepresentation of your opinion. Carry on...nothing to see here and all that.
- RhinoFan

Lol, now that was fun and well played.
Walking by, whistling...

To be fair, none of the bolded are really proven either.

Girgensons went from a potential top 6 center, to scoring what 3 goals in 30 some odd games this year? Pysyk has 90 games under his belt averaging bottom pair minutes, and Guhle is a prospect.

I get what you are saying, and mostly agree, but any proven top 6 player, or top 2 defensemen is going to cost much more than someone like Girgensons at this point
- sbroads24

The entire team is struggling to score...leading me to believe that it is the system they are playing (and here I thought Lindy's system was the Offense Killer).
If it was one or 2 guys...ok, but the whole team is having a down year save for ROR.

Pysyk is fine...a solid 4 D-man.
I will give you Guhle as the Prospect.

The entire team is struggling to score...leading me to believe that it is the system they are playing (and here I thought Lindy's system was the Offense Killer).
If it was one or 2 guys...ok, but the whole team is having a down year save for ROR.

Pysyk is fine...a solid 4 D-man.
I will give you Guhle as the Prospect.
- IonSabres

Look at it from another teams POV.

Proven top 6 forward X demanded a trade, would you accept Girgensons as the main piece coming back? Or Pysyk if you are the other team?

I agree that Girgensons is better than his output, and Pysyk can probably be a solid #4 guy, but they aren't proven in those roles necessarily.

If you can trade Girgensons potential for Drouin's, IMO you do it all day long and don't hesitate.

So, maybe you guys can help me here

I only saw the highlights thanks to stupid DVR not recording the game

I did not like what i saw from Lehner on both goals.

Flailing like a fish out of water on the first....seriously?!

The second, yes he was blocked by Pysk and puck was tipped, but he appeared to be sliding along behind Pysk, INSTEAD of to the left, where the net was open, his view unobstructed and the deflection would've hit him in the numbers.

So, did he also have some great saves that I would've missed?.....otherwise I want Johnson in net.
- nikel

Both goals were bad luck. First one he lunged a bit, but he accidentally pushed the puck to the slot with his glove when he came across. Second goal, no chance whatsoever, if any goalie in the NHL made that save it was by pure, blind luck. It deflected twice. He actually would've made the save had it not deflected, for a second time, off of Pysyk. Otherwise, yeah he played pretty great, he moved very well and made some big time saves. A bit scrambly at times, but show me a goalie that isn't.

I still want him on the Sabres, just dont want to overpay. I mean, if Drouin goes to a second place and does this again, no one would want him, so he needs to cool his jets, but none of us know what he was told in closed door meetings, so him being upset may be from what he was told and then they did the opposite. Only a few people really know.
- Lilroot9

How many times do people get jerked around at their jobs? He's female doging that he's in the AHL and still making three times the median income for the US, at 20 years old nonetheless, including his signing bonus of $92,500. He needs to STFU and do his job.

I was just thinking this could be a double-bluff type move by the Lightning and Walsh. I don't think so, but Walsh is a lawyer and I wouldn't put it past a lawyer to think like this: Yzerman tells Walsh he can quietly talk to other GMs about a potential deal. Other GMs come back with very underwhelming deals, so Walsh goes public, tells his client to sit out games and make it seem like he and the team are in a staring contest and that no one is blinking anytime soon. All the while other teams are calling Yzerman thinking that the price is going down, when in reality he has just created more bidders thereby increasing the price, hopefully eventually getting it to a bidding war type scenario where he wants it to get the best price for his player.

Just spitballing. Because this really doesn't make any sense.

Look at it from another teams POV.

Proven top 6 forward X demanded a trade, would you accept Girgensons as the main piece coming back? Or Pysyk if you are the other team?

I agree that Girgensons is better than his output, and Pysyk can probably be a solid #4 guy, but they aren't proven in those roles necessarily.

If you can trade Girgensons potential for Drouin's, IMO you do it all day long and don't hesitate.
- sbroads24

My point by naming all of the players I did was the cost of Drouin would be something like Girgensons, Pysyk, and a top pick, as in all three, and I have seen enough of Girgensons and Pysyk at the NHL level to know their combined impact for me is greater than the impact of one as of yet unproven forward.

If you agree it would take a package like that to get Drouin, which I think it will, it is bad asset management IMO.

Look at it from another teams POV.

Proven top 6 forward X demanded a trade, would you accept Girgensons as the main piece coming back? Or Pysyk if you are the other team?

I agree that Girgensons is better than his output, and Pysyk can probably be a solid #4 guy, but they aren't proven in those roles necessarily.

If you can trade Girgensons potential for Drouin's, IMO you do it all day long and don't hesitate.
- sbroads24

The thing is tampa is making a playoff run with stamkos. The impact of that trade would be immediate for them. I feel Its a fair deal bcz we get the potentially best player and they get immediately better. Its a great situational trade and not all about who got the best player.

The entire team is struggling to score...leading me to believe that it is the system they are playing (and here I thought Lindy's system was the Offense Killer).

- IonSabres

Never been a fan of Bylsma's style of play. the 2013 embarrassment he put up against the bruins was an eye opener. It was either an example of; complete stubbornness to change things up when his original game plan was not working, having no idea how to change things on the fly, or not having control over his players. Either way being swept and only scoring 2 goals total with that roster, was unacceptable.

Team USA's performance in the Olympics under his watch was also not a very good showing. We put up a good fight against Canada, but got slaughtered by Finland.

I hope he has learned form those years, but some games I watch and the entry into the zone and PP looks bush league at best. We had some good looks last night, but they were nto of design, rather hard work and tenacity.

It's year one, so I'm lenient, but the rope tightens very quickly next year IMO. I'd like to get the pieces together and start playing in a system they are comfortable with and appreciate so they can sustain success (see the blackhawks)

My point by naming all of the players I did was the cost of Drouin would be something like Girgensons, Pysyk, and a top pick, as in all three, and I have seen enough of Girgensons and Pysyk at the NHL level to know their combined impact for me is greater than the impact of one as of yet unproven forward.

If you agree it would take a package like that to get Drouin, which I think it will, it is bad asset management IMO.
- kingcong39

Yea, I'm not doing all 3 either.

Although IF (big IF) Drouin reaches what he was projected to be....It would be that of a franchise winger like Kane, St. Louis, which I would move Girgensons and Pysyk for all day long still

This is supposedly the flight log of the Hawks charter after the game in LA last year for what that's worth.

Yea, I'm not doing all 3 either.

Although IF (big IF) Drouin reaches what he was projected to be....It would be that of a franchise winger like Kane, St. Louis, which I would move Girgensons and Pysyk for all day long still
- sbroads24

Found the following in a story about the latest Kane "accusations":

--UPDATE--
Twitter users have cited flight information from what's believed to be the Blackhawks' team plane, showing that the flight departed Los Angeles shortly after the game.

I don't think there's been any confirmation that the above flight information is in fact for the Hawks's fight.

Bryan Bickell also tweeted that he was at O'Hare arrivals on 11/30/14 at 2:22pm waiting for his wife and children to land:



It's an ~4 hour flight from LAX to ORD. Assuming Bickell was with the team in LA, the team's flight must have left no later than roughly 8:00 a.m. (PT) for him to be able to be waiting at O'Hare at 2:22 p.m. (CT).

The Bickell thing leads me to think the team probably left the night before given the timing. It shouldn't be too hard for Kane or the team to offer clarification on this point if the Twitterverse is right.