Replace Hartman with a lower prospect and let's make it happen.

Bickell (1 hit wonder 4mil contract) and a B lv Prospect for the guy that everyone got for free in HUT during NHL 14.

This screams blockbuster trade lol

Replace Hartman with a lower prospect and let's make it happen.

Bickell (1 hit wonder 4mil contract) and a B lv Prospect for the guy that everyone got for free in HUT during NHL 14.

This screams blockbuster trade lol
- ZenlarTheRed

No thanks, keep Bickell.

So now that Kessel is on the Pens, and still not scoring, what is this guys problem??? He has the tools right? Is it his work attitude or what? He should be scoring a lot of goals. Is it that he i just out of shape(work attitude)??? what is with this guy?? he was invisible tonight

so how do you guys see Drouin??? Is he worth the hype?

So now that Kessel is on the Pens, and still not scoring, what is this guys problem??? He has the tools right? Is it his work attitude or what? He should be scoring a lot of goals. Is it that he i just out of shape(work attitude)??? what is with this guy?? he was invisible tonight
- BluesDroogie

No one on the Pens can score. Every goalie they faced this season looks like a Vezina finalist.

Winnik wouldn't crack the 'Hawks bottom-six this season. The 'Hawks have depth. A top-six LW is needed, not a bottom-six winger.

It's a shame that JvR is hurt. He would have been the ideal addition.

Winnik wouldn't crack the 'Hawks bottom-six this season. The 'Hawks have depth. A top-six LW is needed, not a bottom-six winger.

It's a shame that JvR is hurt. He would have been the ideal addition.
- TommyHawk

JvR for what exactly? He's age appropriate for the Leafs rebuild plans, so unless you have an 18-21 yr old 60-70 point NHL player to return, whats the point for the Leafs to deal him?

As for Winnik, he's good at what he does, nothing more. If Chicago doesn't need bottom 6 guys, i'm not sure why the deal was even mentioned.

I think the best deal for lupul is a slightly better contract to buyout.

I don't know, maybe someone like emelin in mtl.
- Tumbleweed

This again eh? Didn't we make that deal last week?

JvR for what exactly? He's age appropriate for the Leafs rebuild plans, so unless you have an 18-21 yr old 60-70 point NHL player to return, whats the point for the Leafs to deal him?

As for Winnik, he's good at what he does, nothing more. If Chicago doesn't need bottom 6 guys, i'm not sure why the deal was even mentioned.
- Buggy166

Not insinuating that the Leafs move him, but an 18-21 year old 60-70 point NHL player in return? Let's not get ahead of ourselves here ... JvR has hit the 60 point mark once in his career. He's a good player with an affordable cap hit who is still in his prime years, but in a theoretical deal, he's going to fetch a return that is less than what the Maple Leafs got for Kessel - which wasn't as much as expected. If I'm Chicago, I offer nothing more than a 1st round pick, a mid-level pick, a prospect like Schmaltz and a prospect like McNeill.

An 18-21 year old 60-70 point NHL player in return? Let's not get ahead of ourselves here ... JvR has hit the 60 point mark once in his career. He's a good player with an affordable cap hit who is still in his prime years, but in a theoretical deal, he's going to fetch a return that is less than what the Maple Leafs got for Kessel - which wasn't as much as expected. If I'm Chicago, I offer nothing more than a 1st round pick, a mid-level pick, a prospect like Schmaltz and a prospect like McNeill.
- TommyHawk

I think JVR gets you a better return than Kessel

Not insinuating that the Leafs move him, but an 18-21 year old 60-70 point NHL player in return? Let's not get ahead of ourselves here ... JvR has hit the 60 point mark once in his career. He's a good player with an affordable cap hit who is still in his prime years, but in a theoretical deal, he's going to fetch a return that is less than what the Maple Leafs got for Kessel - which wasn't as much as expected. If I'm Chicago, I offer nothing more than a 1st round pick, a mid-level pick, a prospect like Schmaltz and a prospect like McNeill.
- TommyHawk

JVR gets a better return than kessel... he's a steal at 4.25 per

So now that Kessel is on the Pens, and still not scoring, what is this guys problem??? He has the tools right? Is it his work attitude or what? He should be scoring a lot of goals. Is it that he i just out of shape(work attitude)??? what is with this guy?? he was invisible tonight
- BluesDroogie

I just think he doesn't feel comfortable yet.....he's the new guy and he's an introvert by nature. He's used to carrying the puck and wheeling with it....he doesn't do that in Pittsburgh. He passes the puck quickly to either Malkin or Crosby and then seems unsure of where to go.

Not insinuating that the Leafs move him, but an 18-21 year old 60-70 point NHL player in return? Let's not get ahead of ourselves here ... JvR has hit the 60 point mark once in his career. He's a good player with an affordable cap hit who is still in his prime years, but in a theoretical deal, he's going to fetch a return that is less than what the Maple Leafs got for Kessel - which wasn't as much as expected. If I'm Chicago, I offer nothing more than a 1st round pick, a mid-level pick, a prospect like Schmaltz and a prospect like McNeill.
- TommyHawk

JVR, with decent term, cap hit, age, reputation and production should fetch MORE than Kessel. Toronto is dealing from a position of strength in this particular case.

Bickell, Teravainen, cond. 1st (if Hawks reach West final). If not, 2016 2nd, 2017 2nd

or

Bickell, Dano, 2016 1st and either a 3rd or a mid-range prospect


Something along those lines.

I just think he doesn't feel comfortable yet.....he's the new guy and he's an introvert by nature. He's used to carrying the puck and wheeling with it....he doesn't do that in Pittsburgh. He passes the puck quickly to either Malkin or Crosby and then seems unsure of where to go.
- Phenom

Thank you, some actual insight

I just think he doesn't feel comfortable yet.....he's the new guy and he's an introvert by nature. He's used to carrying the puck and wheeling with it....he doesn't do that in Pittsburgh. He passes the puck quickly to either Malkin or Crosby and then seems unsure of where to go.
- Phenom

+ doesn't know yet where all the good hamburger stands can be found in pittsburgh

JVR, with decent term, cap hit, age, reputation and production should fetch MORE than Kessel. Toronto is dealing from a position of strength in this particular case.

Bickell, Teravainen, cond. 1st (if Hawks reach West final). If not, 2016 2nd, 2017 2nd

or

Bickell, Dano, 2016 1st and either a 3rd or a mid-range prospect


Something along those lines.
- Phenom

Now THIS is something that could be executed. Something along these lines is what I had in mind.

JvR could fetch more than Kessel because Toronto doesn't have the need to deal JvR, whereas (in my opinion), they were essentially in a stranglehold to move him last summer.

I will never understand why Leaf fans always want to trade our best players.

From Sundin to Phaneuf to Kessel to JVR to Gardiner it just doesn't make sense to me.

The guys we need to trade are Lupul, Polak, Bozak, etc for whatever we can get.

We have so little skill we need to keep our skilled guys and deal from the bottom of the deck, not the top

I will never understand why Leaf fans always want to trade our best players.

From Sundin to Phaneuf to Kessel to JVR to Gardiner it just doesn't make sense to me.

The guys we need to trade are Lupul, Polak, Bozak, etc for whatever we can get.

We have so little skill we need to keep our skilled guys and deal from the bottom of the deck, not the top
- Rang

Its because most "leaf fans" are not hockey fans, they just happen to cheer for the local sports team. That pretty much cover 70-80% of the leafs fan base.

If you actually like the sport, you'll have random dallas vs anaheim games on your tv in the background while you're running about the house or cooking, etc

or watch hockey specific programming regardless of teams.

Hell, most people's exposure to hockey trade "insight" are EA Sports types.

Its because most "leaf fans" are not hockey fans, they just happen to cheer for the local sports team. That pretty much cover 70-80% of the leafs fan base.

If you actually like the sport, you'll have random dallas vs anaheim games on your tv in the background while you're running about the house or cooking, etc

or watch hockey specific programming regardless of teams.

Hell, most people's exposure to hockey trade "insight" are EA Sports types.





- Buggy166

I will never understand why Leaf fans always want to trade our best players.

From Sundin to Phaneuf to Kessel to JVR to Gardiner it just doesn't make sense to me.

The guys we need to trade are Lupul, Polak, Bozak, etc for whatever we can get.

We have so little skill we need to keep our skilled guys and deal from the bottom of the deck, not the top
- Rang

It really made me laugh you actually put Phaneuf in the same category as Sundin..
Phaneuf is a 2nd pairing D-man, with only a few upsides and quite a few downsides. That at a horrific contract. As well, completely unfit to be 'leader' of any group of people, let alone an important sports team.

JVR, with decent term, cap hit, age, reputation and production should fetch MORE than Kessel. Toronto is dealing from a position of strength in this particular case.

Bickell, Teravainen, cond. 1st (if Hawks reach West final). If not, 2016 2nd, 2017 2nd

or

Bickell, Dano, 2016 1st and either a 3rd or a mid-range prospect


Something along those lines.
- Phenom

Ugh, not a fan of either of those deals. If they're going to take back Bickell, I think CHI should have to pay more than Dano, a low first and a mid range guy. JVR should be able to fetch that all by himself, taking back Bickell should require a 2nd rounder or a good prospect. Otherwise, theyd be better off keeping him.

It really made me laugh you actually put Phaneuf in the same category as Sundin..
Phaneuf is a 2nd pairing D-man, with only a few upsides and quite a few downsides. That at a horrific contract. As well, completely unfit to be 'leader' of any group of people, let alone an important sports team.
- MaximusAurelius

That may be but right now he is still our best .

And I doubt you have any idea how good a leader he is, nor do I because we are not in the room

Trade categories:

Guys they won't trade at all - just Rielly

Guys they like and would require BIG return - JVR, Kadri, Dion,

Guys they like but would trade - Leo, Gardiner, Hunwick

Everyone else

What makes you think Babcock could turn Bickel around if coach q can't?

Trade categories:

Guys they won't trade at all - just Rielly

Guys they like and would require BIG return - JVR, Kadri, Dion,

Guys they like but would trade - Leo, Gardiner, Hunwick

Everyone else
- Canada Cup

Sounds right