Can't imagine there will be a chance he makes it through from the sounds of it
- stashu

Other thought is that they are now at 50 contracts, and with the trade deadline coming close they want someone to be claimed to open up flexibility

- Pluviophile

Call it an excuse, I call it poor data. Just like how I don't base a defenseman's +/- if he's on a really good or really bad team. The numbers are team numbers. This isn't baseball and 1 person shouldn't be credited with a win or a loss. And as long as we're looking at a goalie's stats:

Robin Lehner:
2010–11 Senators 8 GP 1-4-0 .888 Sv% 3.52 GAA
2011–12 Senators 5 GP 3-2-0 .935 Sv% 2.01 GAA
2012–13 Senators 12 GP 5-3-4 .936 Sv% 2.20 GAA
2013–14 Senators 36 GP 12-15-6 .913 Sv% 3.06 GAA
2014–15 Senators 25 GP 9-12-3 .905 Sv% 3.02 GAA


Ryan Miller:
2002-2003 SABRES 15 GP 6-8-1 .902 Sv% 2.63 GAA
2003-2004 SABRES 3 GP 0-3-0.795 Sv% 5.06 GAA
2005-2006 SABRES 48 GP 30-14-3 .914 Sv% 2.60 GAA
2006-2007 SABRES 63 GP 40-16-6 .911 Sv% 2.73 GAA
2007-2008 SABRES 76 GP 36-27-10 .906 Sv% 2.64 GAA


Tell me again how Lehner has been the worst goalie ever.

Call it an excuse, I call it poor data. Just like how I don't base a defenseman's +/- if he's on a really good or really bad team. The numbers are team numbers. This isn't baseball and 1 person shouldn't be credited with a win or a loss. And as long as we're looking at a goalie's stats:

Robin Lehner:
2010–11 Senators 8 GP 1-4-0 .888 Sv% 3.52 GAA
2011–12 Senators 5 GP 3-2-0 .935 Sv% 2.01 GAA
2012–13 Senators 12 GP 5-3-4 .936 Sv% 2.20 GAA
2013–14 Senators 36 GP 12-15-6 .913 Sv% 3.06 GAA
2014–15 Senators 25 GP 9-12-3 .905 Sv% 3.02 GAA


Ryan Miller:
2002-2003 SABRES 15 GP 6-8-1 .902 Sv% 2.63 GAA
2003-2004 SABRES 3 GP 0-3-0.795 Sv% 5.06 GAA
2005-2006 SABRES 48 GP 30-14-3 .914 Sv% 2.60 GAA
2006-2007 SABRES 63 GP 40-16-6 .911 Sv% 2.73 GAA
2007-2008 SABRES 76 GP 36-27-10 .906 Sv% 2.64 GAA


Tell me again how Lehner has been the worst goalie ever.
- Zschalberg

lol at these sample sizes..15 games isn't a season

Hes a good Dman, makes the smart play 9 times out of 10, has the ability to move the puck. Offensively limited but I liked him a lot.

Avs will regret this one if he gets claimed
- DDM-Coga

Don't worry.
Murray has his vestigial wings wrapped tightly around Gormley as we speak.

The question is who do we wave
- gerbe75pts

lol at these sample sizes..15 games isn't a season
- Nucker101

I didn't omit Miller's or Lehner's. I let their first 5 years stand as they were. What is a season, in your eyes? If 15 isn't, is 25? Because that's what he had last year and that's where this conversation started.

Swings both ways, why? You interested?
- Nucker101

Of course...

Call it an excuse, I call it poor data. Just like how I don't base a defenseman's +/- if he's on a really good or really bad team. The numbers are team numbers. This isn't baseball and 1 person shouldn't be credited with a win or a loss. And as long as we're looking at a goalie's stats:

Robin Lehner:
2010–11 Senators 8 GP 1-4-0 .888 Sv% 3.52 GAA
2011–12 Senators 5 GP 3-2-0 .935 Sv% 2.01 GAA
2012–13 Senators 12 GP 5-3-4 .936 Sv% 2.20 GAA
2013–14 Senators 36 GP 12-15-6 .913 Sv% 3.06 GAA
2014–15 Senators 25 GP 9-12-3 .905 Sv% 3.02 GAA


Ryan Miller:
2002-2003 SABRES 15 GP 6-8-1 .902 Sv% 2.63 GAA
2003-2004 SABRES 3 GP 0-3-0.795 Sv% 5.06 GAA
2005-2006 SABRES 48 GP 30-14-3 .914 Sv% 2.60 GAA
2006-2007 SABRES 63 GP 40-16-6 .911 Sv% 2.73 GAA
2007-2008 SABRES 76 GP 36-27-10 .906 Sv% 2.64 GAA


Tell me again how Lehner has been the worst goalie ever.
- Zschalberg

I already gave you proof.
What you do with it or how you twist it is your deal.
But don't worry, there will be more proof coming soon.

lol at these sample sizes..15 games isn't a season
- Nucker101

He didn't help his case very much providing those.

I can't argue with that...
- jochfr

Better with a chick like her, as opposed to with Zad.

I already gave you proof.
What you do with it or how you twist it is your deal.
But don't worry, there will be more proof coming soon.

- Pluviophile

Have you? Because I don't think you did. You gave me GAA. I said GAA was a team stat. You responded with a picture. I showed you numbers comparing Lehner's first 5 seasons and Miller's first 5 seasons and how they weren't astronomically different. You said you already gave me proof. I didn't want to "Ignore the last 2 years in Ottawa" like you said some were so I went back and looked at all the years in Ottawa. So if I'm missing something let me know. Otherwise, continue to dodge the questions like you have all week

I already gave you proof.
What you do with it or how you twist it is your deal.
But don't worry, there will be more proof coming soon.

- Pluviophile

Yup, let's evaluate the guy just as soon as when he plays his first game in 13 months.
I give him a free ride the balance of this year to get back into the swing of it...if he plays well towards the end of the season great, if not, I chalk it up to what it is, 13 months off. If he suck, he sucks. oh well, wouldn't be the first time a 24 year old goalie poop the bed.

He didn't help his case very much providing those.
- Pluviophile

You were the one pointing to last year and preseason this year.
that is well less than 25 I'm sure.

your prolly missin somthing
- SomeoneGerman

This is a good post.

You were the one pointing to last year and preseason this year.
that is well less than 25 I'm sure.

- IonSabres

Shhhhh. He already gave us "proof". We need to leave it at that.

Remember, he hates Murray but won't explain what he'd have done differently and hates Lehner because he's seen more than enough in 2 half seasons, a preseason, and 2/3 of a game. Can't argue with that.

Better with a chick like her, as opposed to with Zad.
- Der Kaiser

did you see godzilla?

This is a good post.
- CaptainRivet

THIS is a good post.

I like pudding.... Because the proof is in it.

Shhhhh. He already gave us "proof". We need to leave it at that.

Remember, he hates Murray but won't explain what he'd have done differently and hates Lehner because he's seen more than enough in 2 half seasons, a preseason, and 2/3 of a game. Can't argue with that.
- Zschalberg

i wonder if he likes Ted Nolans style of coaching

did you see godzilla?
- IndianaSabresFan

Its wearing a kilt in the background.

With Murray we have neither.

3 points better than last years atrocious roster.

3

Let that sink in.
- Pluviophile

This comparison means nothing.

^^

Let that sink in.



Wait you can't because your reasoning skills got left in the poopter that Ennis hit his head on.

THIS is a good post.
- Der Kaiser

dis is a gud pozt

I like pudding.... Because the proof is in it.
- jochfr

Shhhhh. He already gave us "proof". We need to leave it at that.

Remember, he hates Murray but won't explain what he'd have done differently and hates Lehner because he's seen more than enough in 2 half seasons, a preseason, and 1/2 of a game. Can't argue with that.
- Zschalberg

Fixed.

Lehner didn't even make it through 2 full periods before he got hurt. Him and Pysyk were supposedly sent to Rochester on a conditioning stint. I'm looking forward to getting both of them back soon.

Have you? Because I don't think you did. You gave me GAA. I said GAA was a team stat. You responded with a picture. I showed you numbers comparing Lehner's first 5 seasons and Miller's first 5 seasons and how they weren't astronomically different. You said you already gave me proof. I didn't want to "Ignore the last 2 years in Ottawa" like you said some were so I went back and looked at all the years in Ottawa. So if I'm missing something let me know. Otherwise, continue to dodge the questions like you have all week
- Zschalberg

It's a drive-by.