I really never understood the whole showcasing idea... at least for a guy who's been around as long as Streit... I think teams know what's he's about by now, lol.
- Tomahawk

It's a Damn good thing the flyers never got a chance to showcase kimmo

Edit - leight

The USA color commentator on NHL Network is so agonizingly bad having just watched the game on replay. He's straight out of the Milbury-Roenick school of sports broadcasting where everything is "jam" and "banging." He even sounded like a Jersey Shore reject. My lord. TSN all day baby.

I dont care about what Drouin has yet to prove and how bad his attitude is. We should trade for him. His value cant get any lower at this point. Yzerman has no leverage at all. You bring him in and to start off you make him earn his spot on the team and move him up as he earns it. If Raffl needs to stay at top LW to make a point to Drouin do it. This kid is skilled and we should try everything to land him at a fair price. It will definitely be a gamble but one with huge potential payoff!

Considering Hakstol isn't benching Medvedev, who of late logs more minutes than anyone not named MDZ, I don't know who is getting scratched if they incorrectly roll 7 D again (hopefully with that bum Read out). Probably Luke or Manning. Could very easily see Manning given game time.

I also am not a fan of overloading the top line. The top line has slipped in play in the last few games, while the second has been solid still. So I understand a change, but switching G with Coots does nothing. If G wasn't scoring with Raffl and Schenn, why would an offensively worse Coots jump start it? Second line will probably be a good possession line, but I just don't know if it will score. I would've preferred Simmer and Schenn switching, keep Jake and Raffl as is. All this does is make a 2 line team a 1 line team again.

I dont care about what Drouin has yet to prove and how bad his attitude is. We should trade for him. His value cant get any lower at this point. Yzerman has no leverage at all. You bring him in and to start off you make him earn his spot on the team and move him up as he earns it. If Raffl needs to stay at top LW to make a point to Drouin do it. This kid is skilled and we should try everything to land him at a fair price. It will definitely be a gamble but one with huge potential payoff!
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I don't buy the lower value thing at all. Yzerman doesn't have to trade him any time soon and why would he take less than he's worth?

He puts Drouin on the market, there's going to be 20+ teams bidding on him. Now. if they could nab him for fair price, sure. But what's a fair price?

Considering Hakstol isn't benching Medvedev, who of late logs more minutes than anyone not named MDZ, I don't know who is getting scratched if they incorrectly roll 7 D again (hopefully with that bum Read out). Probably Luke or Manning. Could very easily see Manning given game time.

I also am not a fan of overloading the top line. The top line has slipped in play in the last few games, while the second has been solid still. So I understand a change, but switching G with Coots does nothing. If G wasn't scoring with Raffl and Schenn, why would an offensively worse Coots jump start it? Second line will probably be a good possession line, but I just don't know if it will score. I would've preferred Simmer and Schenn switching, keep Jake and Raffl as is. All this does is make a 2 line team a 1 line team again.
- Mononoke

Hopefully Schenn & Couturier can have a rekindling of their late season success last year, when they skated with Read over the last 10 games or so, after Simmonds broke his leg.

That said, not really a fan of all the eggs in one basket, either.

I dont care about what Drouin has yet to prove and how bad his attitude is. We should trade for him. His value cant get any lower at this point. Yzerman has no leverage at all. You bring him in and to start off you make him earn his spot on the team and move him up as he earns it. If Raffl needs to stay at top LW to make a point to Drouin do it. This kid is skilled and we should try everything to land him at a fair price. It will definitely be a gamble but one with huge potential payoff!
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Yzerman has plenty of leverage. He doesn't have to trade him.
Drouin is who doesn't have any leverage.

I don't buy the lower value thing at all. Yzerman doesn't have to trade him any time soon and why would he take less than he's worth?

He puts Drouin on the market, there's going to be 20+ teams bidding on him. Now. if they could nab him for fair price, sure. But what's a fair price?
- Jsaquella

couturier

Hopefully Schenn & Couturier can have a rekindling of their late season success last year, when they skated with Read over the last 10 games or so, after Simmonds broke his leg.

That said, not really a fan of all the eggs in one basket, either.
- Jsaquella

What are the reported lines in practice?

Voracek-Giroux-Simmonds
Read-Couturier-Schenn
Raffl-Laughton-Umberger
Vandevelde-Bellemare-White

??

Considering Hakstol isn't benching Medvedev, who of late logs more minutes than anyone not named MDZ, I don't know who is getting scratched if they incorrectly roll 7 D again (hopefully with that bum Read out). Probably Luke or Manning. Could very easily see Manning given game time.

I also am not a fan of overloading the top line. The top line has slipped in play in the last few games, while the second has been solid still. So I understand a change, but switching G with Coots does nothing. If G wasn't scoring with Raffl and Schenn, why would an offensively worse Coots jump start it? Second line will probably be a good possession line, but I just don't know if it will score. I would've preferred Simmer and Schenn switching, keep Jake and Raffl as is. All this does is make a 2 line team a 1 line team again.
- Mononoke

No matter how it comes out its still a turd, unfortunately

No matter how it comes out its still a turd, unfortunately
- Just5

Some turds look nicer than others

What are the reported lines in practice?

Voracek-Girlix-Simmonds
Read-Couturier-Schenn
Raffl-Laughton-Umberger
Vandevelde-Bellemare-White

??
- SuperSchennBros

Flip Raffl & Read

Some turds look nicer than others
- Mononoke

Flip Raffl & Read
- Jsaquella

That sucks. No creativity.

I dont care about what Drouin has yet to prove and how bad his attitude is. We should trade for him. His value cant get any lower at this point. Yzerman has no leverage at all. You bring him in and to start off you make him earn his spot on the team and move him up as he earns it. If Raffl needs to stay at top LW to make a point to Drouin do it. This kid is skilled and we should try everything to land him at a fair price. It will definitely be a gamble but one with huge potential payoff!
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I would argue that Yzerman has all of the leverage actually.

It's amazing how me saying I would move Sanheim, who has never played a game above junior and who actually had a worse camp this year than last, is tantamount to treason

Tyler Myers won a Calder. He's been traded. Erik Johnson was a No. 1 overall. He's been traded. Kevin Shattenkirk, Matt Niskanen, Jay Bouuwmeester...good Lord. The list goes on and on of players who get moved.

What usually happens is net neutral. That's usually the outcome of trades. You get something, they get something. But for all the hand-wringing, there's maybe 6-10 guys who shouldn't be traded. Everyone else is negotiable and movable, and a guy in junior is just that -- might work out, might not.

But just as I don't know, no one else does either. Guys are projected to be great all the time who aren't, and Jamie Benn gets drafted in the fifth round, too

Nobody knows

looking for a big 3 pt effort out of Carolina-Edmonton tonight boys

Not crazy about going after Drouin. Why? Well Giroux, Konecny, Aube-Kubel being smaller guys have something to do with it. Need size and skill here

Elton Brand > Kevin Garnett

There is a lot of money coming off the books the next two summers. Would you buyout Umberger this summer or the next? I'm hoping we can trade him for half off his cap hit.

Not crazy about going after Drouin. Why? Well Giroux, Konecny, Aube-Kubel being smaller guys have something to do with it. Need size and skill here
- Just5

Giroux and Konecny don't play small. Konecny probably leveled more people at the WJC than Crouse. Giroux is as strong on the puck as any 220lb guy.

Guys like Kane and Panarin do play small. I like size AND skill too, but that didn't stop Chicago, who had the second lightest team in hockey, from winning a cup. Way I see it is you can win without size. You can't win without skill. So let's get a 6'4" Finn just to be safe!

It's amazing how me saying I would move Sanheim, who has never played a game above junior and who actually had a worse camp this year than last, is tantamount to treason

Tyler Myers won a Calder. He's been traded. Erik Johnson was a No. 1 overall. He's been traded. Kevin Shattenkirk, Matt Niskanen, Jay Bouuwmeester...good Lord. The list goes on and on of players who get moved.

What usually happens is net neutral. That's usually the outcome of trades. You get something, they get something. But for all the hand-wringing, there's maybe 6-10 guys who shouldn't be traded. Everyone else is negotiable and movable, and a guy in junior is just that -- might work out, might not.

But just as I don't know, no one else does either. Guys are projected to be great all the time who aren't, and Jamie Benn gets drafted in the fifth round, too

Nobody knows
- AllInForFlyers

I was the one who originally brought up Sanhiem as Tampa's probable trade target. You have to give to get. Face it, on almost any other team Drouin would be logging big minutes and he never gets flustered.

I'm still for it. If theymove Streit they'll head into this draft with two firsts to address the loss of Sanhiem.

Giroux and Konecny don't play small. Konecny probably leveled more people at the WJC than Crouse. Giroux is as strong on the puck as any 220lb guy.

Guys like Kane and Panarin do play small. I like size AND skill too, but that didn't stop Chicago, who had the second lightest team in hockey, from winning a cup. Way I see it is you can win without size. You can't win without skill. So let's get a 6'4" Finn just to be safe!
- Mononoke

True. Speed, skill, size, need most of your players to have 2 of the 3 like the kings and hawks do. All about these Finns. Finn or Matthews or bust

Hey Bill, fellow Flyer fans and stragglers.

What do you think of this trade proposal?

Tampa trades Matt Carle to Philly for AMac or Lecavalier (500k retained on either)

To me this helps both teams. Tampa gets cap space and Philly loses either a longer contract or a useless player. The trade would void Vinny's NMC would it not? He could be demoted for the extra 950k or they can get an equal player in AMac and save a million in cap space.

I was the one who originally brought up Sanhiem as Tampa's probable trade target. You have to give to get. Face it, on almost any other team Drouin would be logging big minutes and he never gets flustered.

I'm still for it. If theymove Streit they'll head into this draft with two firsts to address the loss of Sanhiem.
- hereticpride

Exactly. The good thing about prospects is that they always make more of them