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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jan 4 @ 1:34 AM ET
Wouldn't be surprised to see a return similar to Turris (roster player and 2nd round pick).

Also agree with others that taking a salary from them my also help a team get a deal done.

- yen6d1

I think whoever ends up with Drouin, also does Tampa a favor and takes Carle or Callahan too
yen6d1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: maxim Afinogenov, NY
Joined: 02.21.2011

Jan 4 @ 1:58 AM ET
I think whoever ends up with Drouin, also does Tampa a favor and takes Carle or Callahan too
- sbroads24

Agreed

Almost could be a blessing in disguise for tampa. Carle would be almost impossible to move on his own. Pair him with Drouin could help them on the stammer/ hedman contracts.

If they can move Carle i don't expect a huge return back for them. IMO Drouin is great but Carles an anchor (Bad anchor haha)
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 4 @ 3:34 AM ET
I think whoever ends up with Drouin, also does Tampa a favor and takes Carle or Callahan too
- sbroads24


He's our Moulson, except worse, because he takes up 1 of 6 spots, and is their highest paid defenseman. Garrison isn't far behind. Unless he's had a rebound year. I'll be honest Jason Garrison isn't exactly at the top of my follow list. He was really good in Vancouver.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 4 @ 3:47 AM ET
I just read Kerby Rychel requested a trade. I'd rather go after him than Drouin. The price should be a lot cheaper, granted he probably won't be the player Drouin will be, but he seems to be a set-up man. He had 56A and 90 points in 58 games his final year of junior. He's 6'1" 213 LW shoots left. He's got 5 goals and 18 points and 43 PIM in the AHL in 20 games so far this year. Solid if unspectacular numbers, but seems to play with an edge given the PIM number. And he's just 21. He checks all of Murray's boxes for what he's looking for in a player. Except maybe that he plays LW.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jan 4 @ 7:29 AM ET
I think whoever ends up with Drouin, also does Tampa a favor and takes Carle or Callahan too
- sbroads24


I think Callahan is probably untradeable because of length. Few teams could take on Carle - I'd love for that to be an advantage for us in trying to get a guy like Drouin.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jan 4 @ 7:30 AM ET
I just read Kerby Rychel requested a trade. I'd rather go after him than Drouin. The price should be a lot cheaper, granted he probably won't be the player Drouin will be, but he seems to be a set-up man. He had 56A and 90 points in 58 games his final year of junior. He's 6'1" 213 LW shoots left. He's got 5 goals and 18 points and 43 PIM in the AHL in 20 games so far this year. Solid if unspectacular numbers, but seems to play with an edge given the PIM number. And he's just 21. He checks all of Murray's boxes for what he's looking for in a player. Except maybe that he plays LW.
- Wetbandit1


He was rumored to be available last year as well. He does seem like a really nice player.
Pairo11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Cancel my subscription to the resurrection.
Joined: 10.15.2007

Jan 4 @ 8:25 AM ET
Callahan brings a lot more to the table than points. Bad contract but he brings leadership and was strong in last years playoffs. He's still a 'skill' player IMO.

I guess my point is that they would never move him. Carle will DEFINITELY have to be a part of Drouin. He's a buy-out waiting to happen.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 4 @ 8:34 AM ET
reinhartstinks 550.00
McDestroyers 445.50
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jan 4 @ 8:40 AM ET
He was rumored to be available last year as well. He does seem like a really nice player.
- Slump Buster


The problem with trading for him, as we discussed over the summer, is they're going to want a top 4 Dman in return and I don't think I'm willing to part with any of ours at this stage of the game. Pysyk, McCabe and Risto should not be moved, IMO. Not unless the return you get is spectacular. While Rychel could be a nice player, he's still a huge question mark.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 4 @ 9:08 AM ET
reinhartstinks 550.00
McDestroyers 445.50

- homiedclown



Cabin 560.00
Swordes del Bufallo 303.00


Getting over 500 is a good week
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jan 4 @ 9:39 AM ET
The problem with trading for him, as we discussed over the summer, is they're going to want a top 4 Dman in return and I don't think I'm willing to part with any of ours at this stage of the game. Pysyk, McCabe and Risto should not be moved, IMO. Not unless the return you get is spectacular. While Rychel could be a nice player, he's still a huge question mark.
- HonkFortheGoose


Totally agree Goose.

I'd rather wait for the 2016 draft to attack that need, along with potentially FA.

Ideally Kane and McGinn would be your 2nd and 3rd line LW.

That would mean finding a way to get rid of Moulson, which would take a miracle, and probably not resigning Foligno as paying him $2M for the 4th line seems silly.

Then again, letting Schaller center that line next year means saving the $3M Legwand is being paid for that job.
Pairo11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Cancel my subscription to the resurrection.
Joined: 10.15.2007

Jan 4 @ 9:50 AM ET
Cabin 560.00
Swordes del Bufallo 303.00


Getting over 500 is a good week

- cabin

Babcocks Turd Cutters 556
The guy in 2nd place 526.5

Good for 31st in the league. Had an early loss when I didn't get the roster fixed in time.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jan 4 @ 10:04 AM ET
I think whoever ends up with Drouin, also does Tampa a favor and takes Carle or Callahan too
- sbroads24


I would take Carle assuming Tampa would take a Ennis and a 3rd for Drouin Carle and a 4th.

Carle's contract expires when Eichel and Reinhart hit RFA. However I highly doubt Tampa would take that trade.
Zschalberg
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Amherst, NY
Joined: 06.29.2011

Jan 4 @ 10:16 AM ET
Totally agree Goose.

I'd rather wait for the 2016 draft to attack that need, along with potentially FA.

Ideally Kane and McGinn would be your 2nd and 3rd line LW.

That would mean finding a way to get rid of Moulson, which would take a miracle, and probably not resigning Foligno as paying him $2M for the 4th line seems silly.

Then again, letting Schaller center that line next year means saving the $3M Legwand is being paid for that job.

- kingcong39


If things stay how they are now and we draft in the top 5 you could potentially have your winger for Eichel. Free agency should fill out the 4th line other than Schaller.

As for Moulson, I do see the Sabres getting rid of him within 3 years. Whether it be by an expansion draft, a trade, or buying him out.
Zschalberg
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Amherst, NY
Joined: 06.29.2011

Jan 4 @ 10:17 AM ET
I would take Carle assuming Tampa would take a Ennis and a 3rd for Drouin Carle and a 4th.

Carle's contract expires when Eichel and Reinhart hit RFA. However I highly doubt Tampa would take that trade.

- Stripes77


I think if that 3rd becomes a 2nd and that 4th goes away you have a better chance and even then I don't think it happens.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jan 4 @ 10:17 AM ET
Totally agree Goose.

I'd rather wait for the 2016 draft to attack that need, along with potentially FA.

Ideally Kane and McGinn would be your 2nd and 3rd line LW.

That would mean finding a way to get rid of Moulson, which would take a miracle, and probably not resigning Foligno as paying him $2M for the 4th line seems silly.

Then again, letting Schaller center that line next year means saving the $3M Legwand is being paid for that job.

- kingcong39

If he is only making 2 mil, I wouldn't have an issue resigning him. If you are filling his role via free agency, you are probably getting someone older, making close to the same.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jan 4 @ 10:19 AM ET
Totally agree Goose.

I'd rather wait for the 2016 draft to attack that need, along with potentially FA.

Ideally Kane and McGinn would be your 2nd and 3rd line LW.

That would mean finding a way to get rid of Moulson, which would take a miracle, and probably not resigning Foligno as paying him $2M for the 4th line seems silly.

Then again, letting Schaller center that line next year means saving the $3M Legwand is being paid for that job.

- kingcong39


Drouin doesn't fit the GMTM mold for two reasons:
A) not "hard on the puck"
b) not "established young vet"

Speculating on what Sabres it would take to get him is just a bunch of henhouse clucking.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jan 4 @ 10:21 AM ET
I think if that 3rd becomes a 2nd and that 4th goes away you have a better chance and even then I don't think it happens.
- Zschalberg


I could drop the 4th coming back and I went a 3rd because the Sabres have 2 of them in 2016.

I wouldn't want to go to a second, you can still get good players there and assuming it is going to be a higher 2nd round pick.

Not to mention Murray needs to restock the prospect cupboard.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jan 4 @ 10:21 AM ET
Drouin doesn't fit the GMTM mold for two reasons:
A) not "hard on the puck"
b) not "established young vet"

Speculating on what Sabres it would take to get him is just a bunch of henhouse clucking.

- Der Kaiser


It's better than breaking down the same trade over and over again
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jan 4 @ 10:22 AM ET
Drouin doesn't fit the GMTM mold for two reasons:
A) not "hard on the puck"
b) not "established young vet"

Speculating on what Sabres it would take to get him is just a bunch of henhouse clucking.

- Der Kaiser

You need a mix. This team lacks finesse outside of Eichel and Reinhart.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jan 4 @ 10:27 AM ET
I could drop the 4th coming back and I went a 3rd because the Sabres have 2 of them in 2016.

I wouldn't want to go to a second, you can still get good players there and assuming it is going to be a higher 2nd round pick.

Not to mention Murray needs to restock the prospect cupboard.

- Stripes77

I'm amazed that this even is a thing right now. It's 100% true
Zschalberg
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Amherst, NY
Joined: 06.29.2011

Jan 4 @ 10:27 AM ET
You need a mix. This team lacks finesse outside of Eichel and Reinhart.
- sbroads24


If we're trading away Ennis and getting a Drouin then I'm cool with it. You're losing a smaller guy with finesse replacing him with what you believe will be a higher ceiling version.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jan 4 @ 10:28 AM ET
You need a mix. This team lacks finesse outside of Eichel and Reinhart.
- sbroads24


If this is true we can get that skillset at draft and with FA, rather than taking on a bad contract and trading away assets to get it.
Zschalberg
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Amherst, NY
Joined: 06.29.2011

Jan 4 @ 10:28 AM ET
I'm amazed that this even is a thing right now. It's 100% true
- sbroads24


And we will. We traded away and now we start to restock. Here's hoping the guys we traded for give us enough that we don't need to go into the cupboards too much for a little bit.

Edit: plus, our top prospects are all in the NHL. If Eichel, Sam, McCabe, and Pysyk were all still in the AHL we'd have a great amount of prospects. This draft might be the same way. We end up drafting Laine or Pujujlarvi or Chychrun and they might come straight to the NHL. It won't restock, but it'll still help.

What we really need is to get some of those 2nd and 3rd round guys to really hit and develop while the top guys are up.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jan 4 @ 10:30 AM ET
If he is only making 2 mil, I wouldn't have an issue resigning him. If you are filling his role via free agency, you are probably getting someone older, making close to the same.
- sbroads24


Is $2M the going rate for a 4th line player?

With Legwand exiting stage left and someone like Schaller replacing him next season, his $2M won't be a problem.

Moulson, on the other hand, is likely going to cost them keeping McGinn.
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