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VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Dec 28 @ 10:40 AM ET
I don't really see Morin as a question mark, I just think that huge kids like him take some time to grow into their size and develop. Worse case, I think he'll be a solid 2nd pair shutdown guy who skates on the top PK pairing. Sanheim has unreal potential, but he clearly does have some flaws in his game, he could end up a #1 or a 4/5, it's just too early to tell. Provorov, OTOH, just thinks the game so damned well. Add that to his physical skills and I think there is no way he is anything less than a #2, and he could be a #1.

No matter what, once you add Ghost into the mix, I think the D will be fine for years to come. Next, they need to add more high end talent up front. Konecny looks like a fine player, and Lindblom and Aube-Kubel both have at least a shot at being top 6 forwards, but they need more. Hopefully they can add to the pool in the 1st round of the 2016 draft.

Man, 17-18 and beyond can't come soon enough!

- BiggE


If all of that happens, I'll be amazed, and I know that's not what you are saying.

I think the worst case you laid out for Morin is more likely his top upside, a guy who can anchor a 2nd pair and play top PK minutes.

I agree with everyone else, tho.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Dec 28 @ 10:40 AM ET
1 game after a 5 day break and oh look, Team Negative has shown up in full effect.
Clearly that 1 game is more indicative of their play then say the last 15 games right?

rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Dec 28 @ 10:40 AM ET
It's not immaterial at all. I believe that if Couturier was put in better roles, and had the right players around him, he could be a 50 point player. He has 6 points in the last 5 games playing with Voracek. If that line stays together, I think we'll get a better idea.
- MJL

right players around him, so you agree he doesn't make his line mates better? I mean it was read and whoever over the years always holding him back right?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 28 @ 10:40 AM ET


Sounded good!

- VladDrag


Thanks!
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 28 @ 10:41 AM ET
most seem to think sanheim is this lock and morin the wildcard/potential bust. I myself am not so sure.

no reason to believe they won but I hope they are patient with all of them especially morin. let him earn his bones in the ahl.

also think it is inevitable one of the prospect dman get moved for a forward.

as far as fazleev and ak, time will tell. I wont right them in as locks but nice to have them then not. all 3 of those dman you mentioned (myers,freidman, wilcox)intrigue me a lot.

- rinaldo



I do as well.

I could see a prospect dman moved for a prospect forward.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 28 @ 10:42 AM ET
See how the team responds in San Jose. Bad game across the board...turnovers, weak D, soft goal, etc.

Do we know whether Streit traveled with the team on this trip?

- wolfhounds


yup, Streit is with them. He may return to the lineup Weds
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Dec 28 @ 10:42 AM ET
not on same level. But considering they are line mates they do have some influence on each other. If Schenn is playing well you don't think that might help Giroux? And vice versa.
- J35Bacher



Nah , only Couturier gets to use the other players on his line are or arent playing well defense.

VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Dec 28 @ 10:42 AM ET
right players around him, so you agree he doesn't make his line mates better? I mean it was read and whoever over the years always holding him back right?
- rinaldo


In fairness, very few players actually make their line mates better. They mostly compliment each other.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 28 @ 10:43 AM ET
One guy that I am picking for my sleeper player is Martel for the phantoms. Something about him when he plays and man he can fly. Not sure he will be Tyler Johnson but I think there is something there.
- J35Bacher


Very possible. I haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 28 @ 10:44 AM ET
With regards to Couturier....maybe he's just a very good third line centre or just a poor second line centre....

If he can't get to 50 point range playing with Simmonds and Vorecek along with second pp duty then he may never....not a bad thing. I hope there's more there....not sold yet.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 28 @ 10:45 AM ET
1 game after a 5 day break and oh look, Team Negative has shown up in full effect.
Clearly that 1 game is more indicative of their play then say the last 15 games right?

- opeth_pa



Amazing isn't it?
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 28 @ 10:45 AM ET
yup, Streit is with them. He may return to the lineup Weds
- BiggE


He's obviously not going to be in great shape or game-ready, but if MDZ is out, Streit has to get back in, right? And then somebody is waived...
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 28 @ 10:46 AM ET
Nah , only Couturier gets to use the other players on his line are or arent playing well defense.
- opeth_pa


What an excuse hog.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Dec 28 @ 10:47 AM ET
What time will the Simmonds trade be announced?
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 28 @ 10:48 AM ET
It's not immaterial at all. I believe that if Couturier was put in better roles, and had the right players around him, he could be a 50 point player. He has 6 points in the last 5 games playing with Voracek. If that line stays together, I think we'll get a better idea.
- MJL


Maybe. We'll see. I'm just pointing out where he ranked last season among centers. I don't get into the whole pace or projected points thing...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 28 @ 10:48 AM ET
He's obviously not going to be in great shape or game-ready, but if MDZ is out, Streit has to get back in, right? And then somebody is waived...
- wolfhounds



They played without Streit and Del Zotto last night. If they want to activate and play Streit, the Flyers have to make a move.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 28 @ 10:48 AM ET
What time will the Simmonds trade be announced?
- aightwebang17

If we are getting subban then 6pm... Snider would want to capitalize on primetime coverage. Otherwise about 12ish
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 28 @ 10:48 AM ET
If all of that happens, I'll be amazed, and I know that's not what you are saying.

I think the worst case you laid out for Morin is more likely his top upside, a guy who can anchor a 2nd pair and play top PK minutes.

I agree with everyone else, tho.

- VladDrag


What I like about Morin, other than his obvious size and mean streak, is that he skates well, and he seems very committed to working on improving his overall game. He seems like he really has a good head on his shoulders and I really think a lot of fans are going to be pleasantly surprised by him in the future. Basically, I think he can be a bigger, much nastier, version of Braydon Coburn and that works for me.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Dec 28 @ 10:48 AM ET
What time will the Simmonds trade be announced?
- aightwebang17


Noon time
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Dec 28 @ 10:50 AM ET
What time will the Simmonds trade be announced?
- aightwebang17


10 minutes after the big Lecavalier announcement.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 28 @ 10:50 AM ET
Maybe. We'll see. I'm just pointing out where he ranked last season among centers. I don't get into the whole pace or projected points thing...
- wolfhounds



It's simply a way to look at things comparitively. A poster made the opinion that a player has to put up 50 points to be considered a 2nd line center. I don't think that's the case. I certainly would like to see Couturier put up 50 points, and I think he has that potential.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 28 @ 10:50 AM ET
What time will the Simmonds trade be announced?
- aightwebang17


After that game last night, Habs canceled the deal. Said they wouldn't take Simmonds or G if the Flyers were giving them away for free. Pretty harsh.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 28 @ 10:50 AM ET
It's simply a way to look at things comparitively. A poster made the opinion that a player has to put up 50 points to be considered a 2nd line center. I don't think that's the case. I certainly would like to see Couturier put up 50 points, and I think he has that potential.
- MJL


Ahh, I see. Totally misread that.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 28 @ 10:51 AM ET
10 minutes after the big Lecavalier announcement.
- PLindbergh31

Oh god plz... We traded pronger for chrissakes can't we do something with a practice dummy?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 28 @ 10:51 AM ET
1 game after a 5 day break and oh look, Team Negative has shown up in full effect.
Clearly that 1 game is more indicative of their play then say the last 15 games right?

- opeth_pa


Not at all. I think most of their problems last night were due to 2 things:

-Anaheim played perhaps their best game of the season
and
-missing Del Zotto really hurt and left a huge hole on D

The only other thing the game left me wondering is if Giroux is nursing an injury because he really didn't look like his usual self out there, nor did he for the last couple of games before the break.
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