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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 12:22 PM ET
whenever you are ready to have an actual discussion let me know
- Crimsoninja



Ready whenever you are! You aren't going to like what you read though. It will be a harsh reality.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Dec 29 @ 12:25 PM ET
Ready whenever you are! You aren't going to like what you read though. It will be a harsh reality.
- MJL

looking forward to the insights from someone who doesn't watch the nba and hasn't for years!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 12:49 PM ET
looking forward to the insights from someone who doesn't watch the nba and hasn't for years!
- Crimsoninja



I thought you were interested in having an actual discussion? So much for that.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Dec 29 @ 12:53 PM ET
I thought you were interested in having an actual discussion? So much for that.
- MJL

Heading out in a minute. But will check back later. How should we begin? Just to get it out of the way, should I assume that nothing I can say in defense of the sixers' path and any potential it has to lead to possible success will be given any validity?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 12:55 PM ET
Heading out in a minute. But will check back later. How should we begin? Just to get it out of the way, should I assume that nothing I can say in defense of the sixers' path and any potential it has to lead to possible success will be given any validity?
- Crimsoninja



Whenever you are ready to have an actual discussion let me know.

If you're only interested in insults, not interested.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Dec 29 @ 1:17 PM ET
Whenever you are ready to have an actual discussion let me know.

If you're only interested in insults, not interested.

- MJL

I'd really would rather have a amicable chat about the team, rather than fall into another round of prosecutor/defense attorney.

but for that to happen, i'd like to see that we won't be banging our heads against the wall and that neither of us are too entrenched in our respective positions to see any other sides to this.

so I will freely admit that the sixers have made some definite missteps (such as relying on kendall marshal, worten and Canaan to play the point this season), suffered some bad luck in the draft lottery, and other faults. The whole thing certainly has the possibility of failing completely.

But I do see some positives moving forward. As I think any logical fan would. I'd hope you are willing to admit that some aspects of the team, in terms of either talent on the roster or options to make trades/signings moving forward, are encouraging.


so instead of just repeating the same rhetoric that we've each been guilty of spewing on here, tell me who you like on this team, who you don't think is a fit...who you'd target in the draft or via trade/FA...

let's just talk basketball instead of each trying to prove a point
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 1:44 PM ET
I'd really would rather have a amicable chat about the team, rather than fall into another round of prosecutor/defense attorney.

but for that to happen, i'd like to see that we won't be banging our heads against the wall and that neither of us are too entrenched in our respective positions to see any other sides to this.

so I will freely admit that the sixers have made some definite missteps (such as relying on kendall marshal, worten and Canaan to play the point this season), suffered some bad luck in the draft lottery, and other faults. The whole thing certainly has the possibility of failing completely.

But I do see some positives moving forward. As I think any logical fan would. I'd hope you are willing to admit that some aspects of the team, in terms of either talent on the roster or options to make trades/signings moving forward, are encouraging.


so instead of just repeating the same rhetoric that we've each been guilty of spewing on here, tell me who you like on this team, who you don't think is a fit...who you'd target in the draft or via trade/FA...

let's just talk basketball instead of each trying to prove a point

- Crimsoninja



Whenever you get a quantity of very high draft picks, you have the potential to get lucky and pluck one of the superstars that you need to win with in today's NBA. It's a perimeter shooting game. You need guards and wing players who can shoot and break down people on the dribble. You can only choose from who is available, but to this point, the Sixers don't have much. Embiid may never play, but if he does, he could be a stud. Noel is a nice player, but not a player to build around. Okafor is a decent talent, but you're not going to build a championship team around him in my opinion.
The team has simply become an embarrassment. That's why the league stepped in. 3 years in to the tank, and they're no where. I've been posting for months that the team needs a point guard, and then Colangelo comes on board, and what happens? It's not exactly rocket science. Hinkie was incompetent in that regard. Players also have to develop in a healthy environment. The lack of veterans and role models on the team, was also a colossal mistake by Hinkie. Drafting a point guard who can't shoot in MCW, then trading him because he can't shoot. The mistakes go on and on.
Bottom line is that Hinkie is not really building a team, he's tearing down a team hoping to get lucky. Anyone can do that. You have to have some structure and a proper culture. That should be in place by now. Instead of just bringing in some other guys, I would've fired Hinkie. He's been that bad.
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Dec 29 @ 2:27 PM ET
I'd really would rather have a amicable chat about the team, rather than fall into another round of prosecutor/defense attorney.

but for that to happen, i'd like to see that we won't be banging our heads against the wall and that neither of us are too entrenched in our respective positions to see any other sides to this.

so I will freely admit that the sixers have made some definite missteps (such as relying on kendall marshal, worten and Canaan to play the point this season), suffered some bad luck in the draft lottery, and other faults. The whole thing certainly has the possibility of failing completely.

But I do see some positives moving forward. As I think any logical fan would. I'd hope you are willing to admit that some aspects of the team, in terms of either talent on the roster or options to make trades/signings moving forward, are encouraging.


so instead of just repeating the same rhetoric that we've each been guilty of spewing on here, tell me who you like on this team, who you don't think is a fit...who you'd target in the draft or via trade/FA...

let's just talk basketball instead of each trying to prove a point

- Crimsoninja

lol
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 29 @ 2:32 PM ET
Whenever you get a quantity of very high draft picks, you have the potential to get lucky and pluck one of the superstars that you need to win with in today's NBA. It's a perimeter shooting game. You need guards and wing players who can shoot and break down people on the dribble. You can only choose from who is available, but to this point, the Sixers don't have much. Embiid may never play, but if he does, he could be a stud. Noel is a nice player, but not a player to build around. Okafor is a decent talent, but you're not going to build a championship team around him in my opinion.
The team has simply become an embarrassment. That's why the league stepped in. 3 years in to the tank, and they're no where. I've been posting for months that the team needs a point guard, and then Colangelo comes on board, and what happens? It's not exactly rocket science. Hinkie was incompetent in that regard. Players also have to develop in a healthy environment. The lack of veterans and role models on the team, was also a colossal mistake by Hinkie. Drafting a point guard who can't shoot in MCW, then trading him because he can't shoot. The mistakes go on and on.
Bottom line is that Hinkie is not really building a team, he's tearing down a team hoping to get lucky. Anyone can do that. You have to have some structure and a proper culture. That should be in place by now. Instead of just bringing in some other guys, I would've fired Hinkie. He's been that bad.

- MJL


Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Dec 29 @ 2:35 PM ET
lol
- kicksave856


kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Dec 29 @ 2:39 PM ET

- Streit2ThePoint

hey, pal.

penguininnevada
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater
Joined: 09.01.2008

Dec 29 @ 2:51 PM ET
Whenever you get a quantity of very high draft picks, you have the potential to get lucky and pluck one of the superstars that you need to win with in today's NBA. It's a perimeter shooting game. You need guards and wing players who can shoot and break down people on the dribble. You can only choose from who is available, but to this point, the Sixers don't have much. Embiid may never play, but if he does, he could be a stud. Noel is a nice player, but not a player to build around. Okafor is a decent talent, but you're not going to build a championship team around him in my opinion.
The team has simply become an embarrassment. That's why the league stepped in. 3 years in to the tank, and they're no where. I've been posting for months that the team needs a point guard, and then Colangelo comes on board, and what happens? It's not exactly rocket science. Hinkie was incompetent in that regard. Players also have to develop in a healthy environment. The lack of veterans and role models on the team, was also a colossal mistake by Hinkie. Drafting a point guard who can't shoot in MCW, then trading him because he can't shoot. The mistakes go on and on.
Bottom line is that Hinkie is not really building a team, he's tearing down a team hoping to get lucky. Anyone can do that. You have to have some structure and a proper culture. That should be in place by now. Instead of just bringing in some other guys, I would've fired Hinkie. He's been that bad.

- MJL


This why everyone hates you, no one likes a muppet in a basement with no life off the interweb
conkey
Location: except it, NS
Joined: 09.06.2011

Dec 29 @ 2:58 PM ET
This why everyone hates you, no one likes a muppet in a basement with no life off the interweb
- penguininnevada

strong
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 29 @ 3:05 PM ET
strong
- conkey


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