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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 28 @ 2:39 PM ET
I thought he is still injured?

To me not sure why Gagner isn't playing over Umberger. Or Cousins over Umberger for that matter.

The best RJ can do is have a net neutral effect.

- flyer_nutter


Gagner was reported to be healthy and ready to rejoin the lineup prior to the holiday
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 28 @ 2:44 PM ET
Why would he have to clear waivers in order to come off the cap? Whether he is claimed or demoted it still comes off the books
- YuenglingJagr


If who would have to clear waivers? Perhaps you misunderstood the point. If the Flyers are going to activate Streit for the next game, which is wendesday, they have toake a roster move. If they were going to demote a player that needs to clear waivers to be sent down they would've had to do that today. Otherwise the only remaining options are a trade or denoting a waiver exempt player to activate Streit for tomorrow's game
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 28 @ 2:46 PM ET
Sanheim made a sweet pass, but the forward failed to convert it
- Jsaquella

He's played a lot better today and has seen a lot more ice time ...it's a deep team on the point...at least four first round picks. Koneckny continues to play very good as well...playing with Stephens and Crouse...had a great second period assist.
Provorov had a couple assists in Russia's win today....to me he's been the best d man I've seen so far in the tourney ...it's early but man is he solid.
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Dec 28 @ 2:47 PM ET
If who would have to clear waivers? Perhaps you misunderstood the point. If the Flyers are going to activate Streit for the next game, which is wendesday, they have toake a roster move. If they were going to demote a player that needs to clear waivers to be sent down they would've had to do that today. Otherwise the only remaining options are a trade or denoting a waiver exempt player to activate Streit for tomorrow's game
- MJL



The debate will be over shortly.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 28 @ 3:05 PM ET
wHAT DO I CLICK ON.
- J35Bacher

The caps lock key.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 28 @ 3:15 PM ET
The debate will be over shortly.
- landros 2


Will it? Or will the board erupt when Hextall makes his choice?
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Dec 28 @ 3:26 PM ET
Will it? Or will the board erupt when Hextall makes his choice?
- MJL


Other then sending Ghost down I don't care what he does...I hope they stick with Laughton ....but they don't play till Wednesday so I'm sure they have an idea, and we' ll all know soon enough.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 28 @ 3:50 PM ET
The caps lock key.
- hereticpride

ChoclitLeClair
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.30.2015

Dec 28 @ 3:58 PM ET
My observations from Canada vs Denmark:

Travis Konecny has some serious wheels, even noticeably so when compared to many of his highly touted teammates. Great burst of speed, though I'd like to see him get into better shooting positions. Hopefully his hands follow him to the NHL.

Travis Sanheim looked good with the puck and skates better than any defenseman on the current Flyers who is not named Shayne. He made a few Duncan Keith moves to create passing and shooting lanes at the blue line. Good height, needs to fill out a bit and be more aggressive with the puck. I only saw him take one shot, and it did not look very scary, like he was afraid of breaking the puck. Not surprisingly, his play away from the puck in a defensive situation needs some work.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 28 @ 4:23 PM ET
My observations from Canada vs Denmark:

Travis Konecny has some serious wheels, even noticeably so when compared to many of his highly touted teammates. Great burst of speed, though I'd like to see him get into better shooting positions. Hopefully his hands follow him to the NHL.

Travis Sanheim looked good with the puck and skates better than any defenseman on the current Flyers who is not named Shayne. He made a few Duncan Keith moves to create passing and shooting lanes at the blue line. Good height, needs to fill out a bit and be more aggressive with the puck. I only saw him take one shot, and it did not look very scary, like he was afraid of breaking the puck. Not surprisingly, his play away from the puck in a defensive situation needs some work.

- ChoclitLeClair


He can skate but my God he is a super soft player right now. He's going to need time
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 28 @ 4:25 PM ET
He can skate but my God he is a super soft player right now. He's going to need time
- Just5



He would probably be one of those players that would benefit from AHL over juniors. He can get away with things in juniors because of hi skating and speed. I the A he would need to be more physical and probably be more beneficial to him. BUt the age rule hurts some players.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 28 @ 4:27 PM ET
He would probably be one of those players that would benefit from AHL over juniors. He can get away with things in juniors because of hi skating and speed. I the A he would need to be more physical and probably be more beneficial to him. BUt the age rule hurts some players.
- J35Bacher


I agree A is perfect for him next year. I don't even care how many points he puts up it makes no difference
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 28 @ 4:33 PM ET
He would probably be one of those players that would benefit from AHL over juniors. He can get away with things in juniors because of hi skating and speed. I the A he would need to be more physical and probably be more beneficial to him. BUt the age rule hurts some players.
- J35Bacher


I think we have to keep in mind that he's 19 years old, and will not turn 20 until March. As a frame of reference, Gostisbehere is 3 years older, and is just now starting his NHL career. This kid has time to work with. Players such as Duncan Keith, needed two AHL seasons, and Sanheim is likely going to need significant AHL time also. He's raw, and the Flyers knew that when they selected him based on his high natural skill level.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 28 @ 4:39 PM ET
I agree A is perfect for him next year. I don't even care how many points he puts up it makes no difference
- Just5


Sanheim or Konecny?

If you're talking Sanheim, I agree. He's still got a lot of work to do on his game in own end and away from the puck. There are times where he's only able to make a play because of his speed.

I'm guessing you don't mean Konecny because I've never heard the adjective soft used to describe him. If anything, he needs to add size, because he's small for the way he plays
ChoclitLeClair
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.30.2015

Dec 28 @ 4:47 PM ET
I think we have to keep in mind that he's 19 years old, and will not turn 20 until March. As a frame of reference, Gostisbehere is 3 years older, and is just now starting his NHL career. This kid has time to work with. Players such as Duncan Keith, needed two AHL seasons, and Sanheim is likely going to need significant AHL time also. He's raw, and the Flyers knew that when they selected him based on his high natural skill level.
- MJL


It's funny how we (Flyer fans in general and myself included) are expecting Sanheim to be an all-star. He may end up being another Braydon Coburn, which, despite what some think, isn't a terrible outcome for a 17th overall pick. From the few games I've seen (WJC + WHL) that's who he has reminded me off. Big, good skater, doesn't really use his size that much, overall solid 3-4 guy. I hope Sanheim turns into the next Duncan Keith, but realistic expectations should come into play at some point. None of our D prospects is Victor Hedman.
Croatian
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.16.2015

Dec 28 @ 4:53 PM ET
If MDZ is good to go and Streit is activated I'd sit Manning and Medvedev as Medvedev was brutal last night lost half a dozen battles , one give-away was rattled off crossbar,soft play on boards resulted in 3rd goal that Mase should of had, then soft hooking penalty resulted in 2 nd PP goal for Ducks . Worst was letting Getzlaf throw him around like a rag doll with one hand , landed on his ass . embarrassing time for a little sit down for him as well. Tired of him getting slack to adjust. Man up , rather see a flyer show up and lose than be a wussy!!!
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 28 @ 4:53 PM ET
Sanheim or Konecny?

If you're talking Sanheim, I agree. He's still got a lot of work to do on his game in own end and away from the puck. There are times where he's only able to make a play because of his speed.

I'm guessing you don't mean Konecny because I've never heard the adjective soft used to describe him. If anything, he needs to add size, because he's small for the way he plays

- Jsaquella


He's never going to be a physical player...but he skates so well and see's the ice so well that he makes an awful lot of great moves....he was much better with more ice time . He is coming out of the toughest junior league ...the W is a physical loop.
Koneckny still needs to mature a bit...but you can't teach what he has.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 28 @ 4:55 PM ET
Sanheim or Konecny?

If you're talking Sanheim, I agree. He's still got a lot of work to do on his game in own end and away from the puck. There are times where he's only able to make a play because of his speed.

I'm guessing you don't mean Konecny because I've never heard the adjective soft used to describe him. If anything, he needs to add size, because he's small for the way he plays

- Jsaquella[/quot



Sanheim. Hes still very raw. Needs to improve in every area defensively and focus on quicker passing
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 28 @ 4:58 PM ET
It's funny how we (Flyer fans in general and myself included) are expecting Sanheim to be an all-star. He may end up being another Braydon Coburn, which, despite what some think, isn't a terrible outcome for a 17th overall pick. From the few games I've seen (WJC + WHL) that's who he has reminded me off. Big, good skater, doesn't really use his size that much, overall solid 3-4 guy. I hope Sanheim turns into the next Duncan Keith, but realistic expectations should come into play at some point. None of our D prospects is Victor Hedman.
- ChoclitLeClair


You know, that's the funny thing about prospects. Not an exact science. Who though that Duncan Keith was going to turn out to be the player he turned out to be? Teams passed over him 53 times. Look at the 2002 draft and some of the defenseman picked in front of him? I can't say he's not going to be Victor Hedman, but I won't say he won't turn out as good as he is either. He doesn't have the physical size that Hedman has. Look how long Hedman took to come into prominence? What 4 seasons? We have to be patient with these kids. It's going to take some time.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 28 @ 4:59 PM ET
If MDZ is good to go and Streit is activated I'd sit Manning and Medvedev as Medvedev was brutal last night lost half a dozen battles , one give-away was rattled off crossbar,soft play on boards resulted in 3rd goal that Mase should of had, then soft hooking penalty resulted in 2 nd PP goal for Ducks . Worst was letting Getzlaf throw him around like a rag doll with one hand , landed on his ass . embarrassing time for a little sit down for him as well. Tired of him getting slack to adjust. Man up , rather see a flyer show up and lose than be a wussy!!!
- Croatian


Luke Schenn didn't exactly have a stellar game either.
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Dec 28 @ 5:04 PM ET
It's funny how we (Flyer fans in general and myself included) are expecting Sanheim to be an all-star. He may end up being another Braydon Coburn, which, despite what some think, isn't a terrible outcome for a 17th overall pick. From the few games I've seen (WJC + WHL) that's who he has reminded me off. Big, good skater, doesn't really use his size that much, overall solid 3-4 guy. I hope Sanheim turns into the next Duncan Keith, but realistic expectations should come into play at some point. None of our D prospects is Victor Hedman.
- ChoclitLeClair


Coburn ... with decidedly more skill...your right about there nothing wrong with a legit 3-4 guy , but I think there might be more there. I also think Provorov has a better future ahead of him then Sanheim and has a skill set, albeit different then Hedmans, is equally as valuable ...time will tell.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Dec 28 @ 5:10 PM ET
Prov the Rushkie will be in Norris contention for many years
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 28 @ 5:20 PM ET
MDZ couldn't finish practice today. Wrist/hand pain
VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Dec 28 @ 5:25 PM ET
Prov the Rushkie will be in Norris contention for many years
- rinaldo


He's been impressive for sure. I hope he can continue his development at the rate he's currently at.


Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 28 @ 5:31 PM ET
Coburn ... with decidedly more skill...your right about there nothing wrong with a legit 3-4 guy , but I think there might be more there. I also think Provorov has a better future ahead of him then Sanheim and has a skill set, albeit different then Hedmans, is equally as valuable ...time will tell.
- landros 2


Coburn was a better defensive player, his offensive game never really translated to the NHL, though. He had a decent season or two of production, but not really exceptional. I don't think Sanheim will have that issue.

I think Sanheim has the potential to be a top pair offensive defenseman, but he's got work to do in his own end. If he does it, he could end up being a very well rounded guy. But his speed and offensive abilities are likely what gets him to the NHL, not his play in his own end. In that case he'd be more similar to a guy like Del Zotto than Coburn.

Provorov is more well rounded, and more of the steady guy with high end ability than the speedy/flashy type of game Sanheim displays. I think Provorov could be similar to Hedman, although maybe not with as high a ceiling.
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