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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 28 @ 1:48 PM ET
I thought he is still injured?

To me not sure why Gagner isn't playing over Umberger. Or Cousins over Umberger for that matter.

The best RJ can do is have a net neutral effect.

- flyer_nutter


Umberger has actually strung together a few solid games. Gagner had all but disappeared by the time he got hurt. He's a one dimensional guy and he wasn't doing that great at that.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 28 @ 1:54 PM ET
I quite surprised Gagner wasn't just waived. Kind of seems like the logical move to me.
- hereticpride



We know the Flyers don't want to play Lecavalier. Waiving and demoting a forward would leave Lecavalier as the 13th forward. Activating Streit would give the Flyers 8 defenseman. Really don't need to carry 8 defenseman.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 28 @ 1:55 PM ET
I thought he is still injured?

To me not sure why Gagner isn't playing over Umberger. Or Cousins over Umberger for that matter.

The best RJ can do is have a net neutral effect.

- flyer_nutter



Umberger is a better all around player than Gagner is. Cousins is better playing high minutes in the AHL, than he is playing low minutes on the Flyers. I love the HB terms such as net neutral.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 28 @ 1:56 PM ET
well then the GM made a mistake then by waiving porter if that is his belief. could have waived others who you knew wouldnt get claimed.

no you can use drewiskie as that is what he was signed for more than likely. hell you still have andy mac

spending time and development for manning is there job. at some point you cut the cord. if he truly believes he has an nhl future in a top 6 role. then yes he wont waive him.

- rinaldo


Drewiskie isn't as good as Manning. Obviously they feel Manning is better suited to their plans than MacDonald is, as well. Maybe they feel Manning can still get better.

Sometimes you have to make decisions even if the outcome of the choice isn't one that you like. They knew Porter could be claimed, but felt that Laughton had earned the slot and deserved to make the team. They'll do the same to Manning if they decide that he'll end up odd man out when Streit returns.

That doesn't mean they're going to rush to do it. Maybe Hextall is finalizing a trade to send Luke Schenn to Boston. If that happens, no reason to risk Manning to waivers. Problem solved. Hell, they may well decide to send Gostisbehere down, and avoid waivers on anyone.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 28 @ 1:56 PM ET
This is very exciting.
- Streit2ThePoint

makes sense, he did say it was a roller coaster
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 28 @ 1:59 PM ET
Sounds good. Thanks for posting.
- flyer_nutter

My pleasure, thanks!
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Dec 28 @ 2:01 PM ET
Drewiskie isn't as good as Manning. Obviously they feel Manning is better suited to their plans than MacDonald is, as well. Maybe they feel Manning can still get better.

Sometimes you have to make decisions even if the outcome of the choice isn't one that you like. They knew Porter could be claimed, but felt that Laughton had earned the slot and deserved to make the team. They'll do the same to Manning if they decide that he'll end up odd man out when Streit returns.

That doesn't mean they're going to rush to do it. Maybe Hextall is finalizing a trade to send Luke Schenn to Boston. If that happens, no reason to risk Manning to waivers. Problem solved. Hell, they may well decide to send Gostisbehere down, and avoid waivers on anyone.

- Jsaquella

drewiskie is better than manning; he was signed for a different role than manning. correct they feel that way it looks like and yes they probably feel he can get better. Doesn't mean he will. manning is so irrelevant really.

well if hextall liked porter that much than he made a mistake as he had other options to waive. they know anyone can be claimed. if he was mad or the like than that's on him is all I am saying.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 28 @ 2:01 PM ET
Sanheim made a sweet pass, but the forward failed to convert it
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 28 @ 2:03 PM ET
Sanheim made a sweet pass, but the forward failed to convert it
- Jsaquella


I hope his next shift in the third period will be just as strong.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 28 @ 2:03 PM ET
Porter was signed to play for the Phantoms, to add a veteran presence, and to add NHL depth for a call up. He knew the minute he signed him that he would need to be exposed to waivers, due to his waiver status.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 28 @ 2:05 PM ET
Porter was signed to play for the Phantoms, to add a veteran presence, and to add NHL depth for a call up. He knew the minute he signed him that he would need to be exposed to waivers, due to his waiver status.
- MJL

big, if true
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 28 @ 2:05 PM ET
big, if true
- BulliesPhan87



Or small, if false?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 28 @ 2:10 PM ET
drewiskie is better than manning; he was signed for a different role than manning. correct they feel that way it looks like and yes they probably feel he can get better. Doesn't mean he will. manning is so irrelevant really.

well if hextall liked porter that much than he made a mistake as he had other options to waive. they know anyone can be claimed. if he was mad or the like than that's on him is all I am saying.

- rinaldo


It just simply means that Hextall hasn't wanted to repeat the risk he took with Porter with Manning, even if he has other options to fill the role. That's all.

He lost a serviceable player in Porter, wasn't happy about it, even though he knew waiving him was risking losing him. He may well decide to take the same risk with Manning. It doesn't mean he's happy to lose him on waivers.

Not sure why it's a mistake or what it has to do with Hextall being reluctant to risk a guy on waivers.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 28 @ 2:12 PM ET
Sanheim doing his Ghost impression. Turn it on if you have the chance.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Dec 28 @ 2:14 PM ET
It just simply means that Hextall hasn't wanted to repeat the risk he took with Porter with Manning, even if he has other options to fill the role. That's all.

He lost a serviceable player in Porter, wasn't happy about it, even though he knew waiving him was risking losing him. He may well decide to take the same risk with Manning. It doesn't mean he's happy to lose him on waivers.

Not sure why it's a mistake or what it has to do with Hextall being reluctant to risk a guy on waivers.

- Jsaquella

I don't think it is a mistake at all dime a dozen call up....

I was just saying you think he is gun shy about losing guys on waivers for nothing. if that is true than shouldn't have waived porter and waived someone else is all. imo there is no risk in waiving a guy like porter. none. you have plenty of other options to use short term as porter would never be any long term answer in all likelihood anyway.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Dec 28 @ 2:15 PM ET
Just watching replays of the goals from last night..the 3rd goal given up by Mason is pretty horrible.

You could even make the case that the 4th goal wasnt a great shot but it was a break away so fine but that 3rd goal.

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 28 @ 2:20 PM ET
I don't think it is a mistake at all dime a dozen call up....

I was just saying you think he is gun shy about losing guys on waivers for nothing. if that is true than shouldn't have waived porter and waived someone else is all. imo there is no risk in waiving a guy like porter. none. you have plenty of other options to use short term as porter would never be any long term answer in all likelihood anyway.

- rinaldo


I'm not really saying he's gunshy. I'm saying that he's exploring all options and using waivers as a last resort. I'm using his stated disappointment in losing Porter on waivers as an example of why I think he'd rather not use waivers. That's all.

Not saying Porter was viewed as a long term answer. Not saying Manning is irreplaceable. Simply pointing out that Hextall was disappointed that Porter was claimed and that it might be a factor in his reluctance to waive Manning.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 28 @ 2:22 PM ET
Just watching replays of the goals from last night..the 3rd goal given up by Mason is pretty horrible.

You could even make the case that the 4th goal wasnt a great shot but it was a break away so fine but that 3rd goal.


- opeth_pa


Mason himself said the 3rd goal was bad, and I think Bill was dead on when he said while you can't really blame a goalie for not stopping a 2 on 0, it would have been a huge momentum stop that kept the game in reach. Mason was excellent for two periods last night, but the two he allowed in the third were troublesome/
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Dec 28 @ 2:28 PM ET
Just watching replays of the goals from last night..the 3rd goal given up by Mason is pretty horrible.

You could even make the case that the 4th goal wasnt a great shot but it was a break away so fine but that 3rd goal.


- opeth_pa

leaky 5 hole
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 28 @ 2:28 PM ET
Or small, if false?
- MJL

that's out of my jurisdiction
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 28 @ 2:31 PM ET
Konecny has flipped the switch, too. Much more aggressive with the puck on last few shifts than he was in first game
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 28 @ 2:32 PM ET
Konecny has flipped the switch, too. Much more aggressive with the puck on last few shifts than he was in first game
- Jsaquella



ANY LIVE STREAM.

greatly APPRECIATE THE HELP
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 28 @ 2:34 PM ET
ANY LIVE STREAM.

greatly APPRECIATE THE HELP

- J35Bacher


http://ifirstrowus.eu/

I was watching Russia on this, earlier, but focused on Canada now
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 28 @ 2:37 PM ET
http://ifirstrowus.eu/

I was watching Russia on this, earlier, but focused on Canada now

- Jsaquella



wHAT DO I CLICK ON.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 28 @ 2:38 PM ET
If the Flyers were going to waive a player to make room for activating Streit, it would've needed to happen today. It takes 24 hours for a player to clear waivers if I'm not mistaken.
- MJL


Why would he have to clear waivers in order to come off the cap? Whether he is claimed or demoted it still comes off the books
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