Just what we need a mid 30's forward who we hope will help

That's the only bad trade to ever go down?
- obie

no you quoted that trade as the benchmark of your trade, so you were using it as a precedent.

Fair enough but to claim that McCarron is viewed as garbage is just plain silly
- obie

I don't think that he meant McCarron as being garbage, but Kassian certainly is, and one might argue Eller to be relative to his contract.

As my take, if you're looking to get RyJo, you're looking either Galchenyuk +, or McCarron, first + as the basis for the deal.

Oh, he's an excellent prospect but if you're trading a guy like RyJo you don't want the best piece of the deal to only have 2 games NHL experience
- lumlums

Right but if they are forced to move RyJo they will be hard pressed to find a partner willing to trade their best offensive asset straight up for him, as rare as these trades have become, when they do happen it's usually a package of assets that go the other way... at no time did I say that trade is enough or not, I just put it out there because of the situation with Johansson and the Habs recent debacles

Vrbata and Burrows for the Habs 1st and Eller.
- LordHumungous

Right but if they are forced to move RyJo they will be hard pressed to find a partner willing to trade their best offensive asset straight up for him, as rare as these trades have become, when they do happen it's usually a package of assets that go the other way... at no time did I say that trade is enough or not, I just put it out there because of the situation with Johansson and the Habs recent debacles
- obie

disagree, if he is actually on the market, teams will be lining up to get him. Big 1C who is under a cost controlled contract going into next season and still an RFA after that.

Its the kind of trade a team would make if they want to set their franchise in the right direction going forward, moving out good assets to obtain that difficult number 1 franchise C. If a team has the assets and the right depth, they could trade from a position of strength to shore up that C position for the long term.

I don't think that he meant McCarron as being garbage, but Kassian certainly is, and one might argue Eller to be relative to his contract.

As my take, if you're looking to get RyJo, you're looking either Galchenyuk +, or McCarron, first + as the basis for the deal.
- lumlums

Eller was in the deal as a salary dump, as was Emelin, without those 2 contracts going back the deal could not happen.... you say McCarron and a 1st and I said McCarron, Tinordi and Fucali, doesn't seem that far off

disagree, if he is actually on the market, teams will be lining up to get him. Big 1C who is under a cost controlled contract going into next season and still an RFA after that.

Its the kind of trade a team would make if they want to set their franchise in the right direction going forward, moving out good assets to obtain that difficult number 1 franchise C. If a team has the assets and the right depth, they could trade from a position of strength to shore up that C position for the long term.
- DDM-Coga

who would move a #1 C who's between the age of 20-25 for Johansson right now? Maybe RNH in Edmonton?

Right but if they are forced to move RyJo they will be hard pressed to find a partner willing to trade their best offensive asset straight up for him, as rare as these trades have become, when they do happen it's usually a package of assets that go the other way... at no time did I say that trade is enough or not, I just put it out there because of the situation with Johansson and the Habs recent debacles
- obie

My personal take is that it's likely to be a deal where a team sends a top defenseman back rather than an exchange of forwards... I could see Nashville being a good trade partner as they're a 1C away from serious contention, and have Weber, Josi, Jones and Ellis as solid D, but are rolling Ribeiro and Fisher down the middle right now...

Ryan Johansson and Scott Hartnell to Montreal for Mike McCarron, Jarred Tinordi, Lars Eller, Zach Fucali, Zack Kassian and Alexei Emelin.... let's hear everyone's take on that blockbuster.
- obie

who would move a #1 C who's between the age of 20-25 for Johansson right now? Maybe RNH in Edmonton?
- obie

No what a mean is a team like Preds, Wild who could solidify that position by moving a young solid dman since they have strength in their Dcore.

Seth Jones for RyJo has been talked about a lot, so thats the level of impact trade he would demand

Sounds like you've heard it before. That's because you want people to discuss trading garbage for two huge impact players.
- fry

We shall have to agree to disagree with a couple names on that list being garbage...but yes...Most are trash...

On the plus side..Hartnell is kinda trash these days too...soooooooo

No what a mean is a team like Preds, Wild who could solidify that position by moving a young solid dman since they have strength in their Dcore.

Seth Jones for RyJo has been talked about a lot, so thats the level of impact trade he would demand
- DDM-Coga

That's assuming Columbus would want a D as the primary return, not saying they wouldn't but none of us know that for certain... I heard the Jones rumors as well and it does seem logical from both sides

That's assuming Columbus would want a D as the primary return, not saying they wouldn't but none of us know that for certain... I heard the Jones rumors as well and it does seem logical from both sides
- obie

But thats exactly what is being reported that they are looking for a Top flight Dman, even during the summer that was a concern of theirs and most insiders have said the Jackets have been actively trying to obtain a Top 4 dman

But thats exactly what is being reported that they are looking for a Top flight Dman, even during the summer that was a concern of theirs and most insiders have said the Jackets have been actively trying to obtain a Top 4 dman
- DDM-Coga

Which they obviously need but moving out Johansson would create a different hole and probably change their organizational needs quite a bit

Which they obviously need but moving out Johansson would create a different hole and probably change their organizational needs quite a bit
- obie

they have decent forward depths in their prospect pool, they don't have any D help coming up outside of werenski, unless they want to keep spinning their tires trying to build a D core, they will have to move a prime forward asset to build that up

Cancel the Blue Jackets

Cancel the Blue Jackets
- DDM-Coga

- lumlums

- DDM-Coga

I'm hearing a lot of Kassian to the Oilers for ben Scrivens after the freeze. Apparently Scrivens was held out of the game in Bakersfield for this reason.
Just what I'm hearing.

I'm hearing a lot of Kassian to the Oilers for ben Scrivens after the freeze. Apparently Scrivens was held out of the game in Bakersfield for this reason.
Just what I'm hearing.
- flipneil

Oilers recalled a goalie Laurikainen from Finland as well, so its probably going to go down.

Tinordis name has been tossed out there as well as a bigger deal bw the 2 teams

Which they obviously need but moving out Johansson would create a different hole and probably change their organizational needs quite a bit
- obie

I agree....my guess is they have no choice now, IF hes demanded a trade. Wouldnt be surprised, came pretty soon after torts hiring.

Not going to happen, I agree, but why would the Flames go out to pick up a 3rd centre?!?

The only way that make that type of trade is if they move Bennett, and the kid is not going anywhere.
- rmull905

Backlund, Wideman and a 2nd. Everyone knows CBJ does not win this trade because they will give up the best player. CGY will not move Bennett. Maybe CGY adds a good prospect instead of the 2nd. Or, if CLB likes Russell a conditional pick if he doesn't resign.

Backlund, Wideman and a 2nd. Everyone knows CBJ does not win this trade because they will give up the best player. CGY will not move Bennett. Maybe CGY adds a good prospect instead of the 2nd. Or, if CLB likes Russell a conditional pick if he doesn't resign.
- TandA4Flames

Yeah, that'll do it....