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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 18 @ 11:14 AM ET
Domi's really broken out and would be great to have right now, but at the time of the draft most people wanted us to have taken Morrissey or Pulock over Morin. I don't recall Domi being mentioned that much. I'm not sure what's going on with Morrissey's AHL team but I'm pretty surprised he's been outscored by Morin so far this season.

Like you, Ristolainen was the guy I wanted going into the draft and if the Flyers had picked Morin over him (and it seems like they would have based on the video of their not so blurry draft board) it would have killed me.

- Feanor


Domi was undersized. I agree with you, I wouldve smashed several things if they picked Morin over Ristolainen. We got the next Chris Prongerâ„¢
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Dec 18 @ 11:14 AM ET
I agree. I think to get their attention it would require something like Couturier or BSchenn + Gudas + Sanheim, which is too rich for my blood.
- Feanor

need to give to get....flyers have the parts unless Columbus wants nhl ready dman instead of blue chip prospects.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 18 @ 11:15 AM ET
Johansen for Seth Jones make sense. Nashville are never going to be real contenders to get out of the West with the centers they have.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 18 @ 11:16 AM ET
your giving up nothing of consequence for a 1st line center. they laugh at deal imo.
- rinaldo



Who determines whats of consequence. Some teams still think Schenn is a viable young player.

I think a lot depends on how bad they want to get rid of him. Look at Boston. They wanted to get rid of Seguin so bad, you think they really got a lot back for him?

Hagg was billed as a first rounder his draft year. Laughton is a first rounder. Just because as fans we might not see it doesn't mean hockey guys think the same way.

But a lot depends on what Columbus really wants. And I think it hurts them a little, kind of like Boston, that teams know he is on their poop list so they might lose some leverage in that.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 18 @ 11:17 AM ET
Johansen for Seth Jones make sense. Nashville are never going to be real contenders to get out of the West with the centers they have.
- Feanor



See I would move Weber before Jones.

Weber is getting up there in age and they have a solid nucleus on d with Jones, Josi, Ekholm.

I would move the Weber money
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 18 @ 11:17 AM ET
I wouldn't take Weber if I were CBJ due to his age. I'd insist on Jones.

Domi was undersized. I agree with you, I wouldve smashed several things if they picked Morin over Ristolainen. We got the next Chris Prongerâ„¢
- YuenglingJagr


Getting Provorov made up for the Ristolainen disappointment. As soon as Arizona took Strome and not Hanifin I knew we were gonna get our guy without having to pay a price to move up.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 18 @ 11:18 AM ET
See I would move Weber before Jones.

Weber is getting up there in age and they have a solid nucleus on d with Jones, Josi, Ekholm.

I would move the Weber money

- J35Bacher


Who wouldnt? Thing with trades though, is that the other person has to want what you are giving them
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 18 @ 11:18 AM ET
need to give to get....flyers have the parts unless Columbus wants nhl ready dman instead of blue chip prospects.
- rinaldo


Johnasen instantly gives the Flyers a nice 1-2 center punch, but I'd rather not move on of our big 4 defense prospects (including Ghost).
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Dec 18 @ 11:19 AM ET
It hurts a little to compare Hartnell and pacioretty's current stats and see Hartnell has only one less goal/point than pacioretty...
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Dec 18 @ 11:19 AM ET
Who determines whats of consequence. Some teams still think Schenn is a viable young player.

I think a lot depends on how bad they want to get rid of him. Look at Boston. They wanted to get rid of Seguin so bad, you think they really got a lot back for him?

Hagg was billed as a first rounder his draft year. Laughton is a first rounder. Just because as fans we might not see it doesn't mean hockey guys think the same way.

But a lot depends on what Columbus really wants. And I think it hurts them a little, kind of like Boston, that teams know he is on their poop list so they might lose some leverage in that.

- J35Bacher

what Boston got is irrelevant.

ok your the Columbus Gm, do you make that deal?

your not getting anything back that is a sure thing for a sure thing. laughton is a 1st rd pick and hagg was billed as a 1st rd pick, so what. schenn good player. they are not losing any leverage.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 18 @ 11:19 AM ET
I wouldn't take Weber if I were CBJ due to his age. I'd insist on Jones.



Getting Provorov made up for the Ristolainen disappointment. As soon as Arizona took Strome and not Hanifin I knew we were gonna get our guy without having to pay a price to move up.

- Feanor


I was still a bit worried about the Devils...because I think BPA was obvious...but they were desperate for a forward
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 18 @ 11:20 AM ET
See I would move Weber before Jones.

Weber is getting up there in age and they have a solid nucleus on d with Jones, Josi, Ekholm.

I would move the Weber money

- J35Bacher


I really don't see Shea Weber moving. With the investment they've made to him both financially and publicly, it's more than just a hockey move.

Plus I think Weber is a better hockey player than Johansen.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Dec 18 @ 11:20 AM ET
Johnasen instantly gives the Flyers a nice 1-2 center punch, but I'd rather not move on of our big 4 defense prospects (including Ghost).
- jmatchett383

I would depending on what other components of the deal are. he is a proven nhl commodity at this point. young to boot.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 18 @ 11:22 AM ET
I would depending on what other components of the deal are. he is a proven nhl commodity at this point. young to boot.
- rinaldo


I know he is, but I just am not sold on him. I can't say why, I just don't like him. I'd maybe move Morin for him, not Sanheim/Ghost/Provorov.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 18 @ 11:22 AM ET
I was still a bit worried about the Devils...because I think BPA was obvious...but they were desperate for a forward
- YuenglingJagr


Yes, thankfully their total lack of young forward talent outside of Henrique worked out perfectly for us.

CBJ might have benefited from moving up to #6 and taking Provorov. I think he could have played in their top 6 this season.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 18 @ 11:23 AM ET
Yes, thankfully their total lack of young forward talent outside of Henrique worked out perfectly for us.

CBJ might have benefited from moving up to #6 and taking Provorov. I think he could have played in their top 6 this season.

- Feanor


I think he could have played in our top-6 this season.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 18 @ 11:25 AM ET
I think he could have played in our top-6 this season.
- jmatchett383


I wonder what he would have done with 58% OZ starts, weak competition and Ghost as his regular partner...
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Dec 18 @ 11:26 AM ET
I know he is, but I just am not sold on him. I can't say why, I just don't like him. I'd maybe move Morin for him, not Sanheim/Ghost/Provorov.
- jmatchett383

that's fine...just makes me laugh when some people want to give up slop for quality.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 18 @ 11:26 AM ET
Johansen for Seth Jones make sense. Nashville are never going to be real contenders to get out of the West with the centers they have.
- Feanor


Man, asset management-wise, it makes some sense right now... but I really believe that Jones will become the more valuable player down the road. Kid is so good already.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 18 @ 11:26 AM ET
It hurts a little to compare Hartnell and pacioretty's current stats and see Hartnell has only one less goal/point than pacioretty...
- benjichronic


Umberger has one more point than Patrick Maroon
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Dec 18 @ 11:29 AM ET
It hurts a little to compare Hartnell and pacioretty's current stats and see Hartnell has only one less goal/point than pacioretty...
- benjichronic


but dat plus/minus doe
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Dec 18 @ 11:29 AM ET
Umberger has one more point than Patrick Maroon
- YuenglingJagr

Since the trade.. Umberger 20 points. Hartnell 85.

jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Dec 18 @ 11:29 AM ET
but dat plus/minus doe
- Streit2ThePoint

-7 on the worst team in the league isnt really all that bad.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Dec 18 @ 11:29 AM ET
Umberger has one more point than Patrick Maroon
- YuenglingJagr

How many points does Tye McGinn have?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 18 @ 11:36 AM ET
How many points does Tye McGinn have?
- TobyFlenderson


All of them.
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