Kid's only seen 17 games in Utica...they'll look at him longer.
- LordHumungous

yeah, I'd like to see him develop for this year in the A and see where he is in the summer. Why bother replacing Sutter short term if the team doing well this year isn't a priority.

Jason Botchford ‏@botchford · 2h2 hours ago
@paislanderr official release "as the rep for all media and #1040experts, we concede bo horvat is not ready to be a second line centre"

I'd like to see Burrows McCann Vrbata as the second line.

Baertschi Horvat Prust
Higgins Cracknell Dorsett

something like that anyway for a look.

and Pedan get a shot on defense before we trade for a bottom pairing dman.
- hillbillydeluxe

Horvat trying to carry Baertchi and Virtanen has been killing him. Virtanen gone for a bit will help Horvat. Horvat needs players to make space for him and that means Hansen.

Burrows needs to get going so:

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Baertchi McCann Vrbata
Higgins Horvat Hansen
Prust Cracknell Dorsett.

Baertchi is the worry on the 2nd. Gaunce or even Jensen might produce better there.

Horvat just needs his minutes managed with a little less responsibility and he will get back in the groove. Hansen can create space for Horvat and Higgins can get him the puck.

yeah, I'd like to see him develop for this year in the A and see where he is in the summer. Why bother replacing Sutter short term if the team doing well this year isn't a priority.
- neem55

He is just too sensitive

I think you guys are undervaluing B.Schenn, as much as I would love to see this deal go down it's Vrbata and a pick for schenn, not the other way around IMO.
- neem55

It's Luke not Brayden I believe.

Horvat trying to carry Baertchi and Virtanen has been killing him. Virtanen gone for a bit will help Horvat. Horvat needs players to make space for him and that means Hansen.

Burrows needs to get going so:

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Baertchi McCann Vrbata
Higgins Horvat Hansen
Prust Cracknell Dorsett.

Baertchi is the worry on the 2nd. Gaunce or even Jensen might produce better there.

Horvat just needs his minutes managed with a little less responsibility and he will get back in the groove. Hansen can create space for Horvat and Higgins can get him the puck.
- LordHumungous

Shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic

Horvat trying to carry Baertchi and Virtanen has been killing him. Virtanen gone for a bit will help Horvat. Horvat needs players to make space for him and that means Hansen.

Burrows needs to get going so:

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Baertchi McCann Vrbata
Higgins Horvat Hansen
Prust Cracknell Dorsett.

Baertchi is the worry on the 2nd. Gaunce or even Jensen might produce better there.

Horvat just needs his minutes managed with a little less responsibility and he will get back in the groove. Hansen can create space for Horvat and Higgins can get him the puck.
- LordHumungous

Those lines would be worth a look too. But either way, we need secondary scoring.

Who do we put on that second line to get the pucks in the corner and go to the front of the net? I think I suggested the same second line at one point, but I don't know who is going to the net or standing in front of the net with that second line.

Whatever line Burrows is on, if he isn't scoring, I'd like to see him hitting a little more. that goes for just about everyone on the team.

Shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic
- VANTEL

as long as we can make it look like the deck of the Enterprise, it just might be a distraction from the fact we are not doing that well.

It's Luke not Brayden I believe.
- LeftCoaster

right you are, I really would prefer Brayden. Love that style of player and he can play wing if he needs to.

Shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic
- VANTEL

lol don't forget polishing the brass as well...

He is just too sensitive
- VANTEL

Honestly, I haven't watched Subban play at all. But I am just a believer in developing guys in the A until they have more value.

Honestly, I haven't watched Subban play at all. But I am just a believer in developing guys in the A until they have more value.
- neem55

He is on the small side but no denying his offense is better than average

right you are, I really would prefer Brayden. Love that style of player and he can play wing if he needs to.
- neem55

I'd like him too, I think he's played wing most of his NHL career. (Brayden)

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Honestly, I haven't watched Subban play at all. But I am just a believer in developing guys in the A until they have more value.
- neem55

I don't have anything bad to say about Subban.

I do think 5' 9 Freisen is the best player for the 4 th line centre and he is not here. Let's see how they feel about a 5'9 Dman

Easier to get offense outta Subban in specialized roles than a 4C
Nothing wrong with Friesen but needs a chance as a 2-3C if an injury

Easier to get offense outta Subban in specialized roles than a 4C
- Nighthawk

Who is putting Subban as a 4 LC?

Who is putting Subban as a 4 LC?
- VANTEL

No clue. He's D n Friesen suggested as a 4C.
Keep up with the posts.

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I don't have anything bad to say about Subban.

I do think 5' 9 Freisen is the best player for the 4 th line centre and he is not here. Let's see how they feel about a 5'9 Dman
- VANTEL

Cracknell as 4th line centre hasn't been the issue, maybe wish he was a little more physical, he, Prust and Dorsett all had 1 hit each. Was surprised Horvat had 4 hits and Bartkowski had 6. Burrows had 3, never noticed them.

Want to see McCann on the pp over Horvat. Horvat is fine on the pk. and don't want to see Higgins on the pp either. but I guess that goes to show our lack of depth.

With all that being said, I wouldn't mind Friesen getting a call up, doesn't necessarily have to play centre, he could play wing too.

Cracknell as 4th line centre hasn't been the issue, maybe wish he was a little more physical, he, Prust and Dorsett all had 1 hit each. Was surprised Horvat had 4 hits and Bartkowski had 6. Burrows had 3, never noticed them.

Want to see McCann on the pp over Horvat. Horvat is fine on the pk. and don't want to see Higgins on the pp either. but I guess that goes to show our lack of depth.

With all that being said, I wouldn't mind Friesen getting a call up, doesn't necessarily have to play centre, he could play wing too.
- hillbillydeluxe

Friesen is a career AHL'er, he's not big enough or physical enough to play as a fourth line center. Gotta be able to grind a bit and win some puck battles down low to make up for the lack of offensive talent.

Friesen is a career AHL'er, he's not big enough or physical enough to play as a fourth line center. Gotta be able to grind a bit and win some puck battles down low to make up for the lack of offensive talent.
- LeftCoaster

you are prolly right, if he did get a call up, it would likely be as Vantel mentioned, just rearranging deck chairs. But I still don't mind seeing guys get called up from the ahl if they are working hard and playing well. Friesen had a good game tonight for the Comets.

and if WD thinks a player or two isn't giving it their all, he should put in guys that will work hard, even if the results are expected to be the same.

but tonight, we just got beat by a better team.

Friesen is a career AHL'er, he's not big enough or physical enough to play as a fourth line center. Gotta be able to grind a bit and win some puck battles down low to make up for the lack of offensive talent.
- LeftCoaster

Subban could face similar problems

Burrows get one last tour with the Sedins to get going.

But also it's time for Burrows to move on. Tough one for JB.

The Weber experiment needs to end and if we can pry L Schenn out of PHI waht else would it take to get B Schenn to be a part of that deal as well? We need secondary scoring as bad as we need tough D like Tinordi/Schenn so maybe Weber/Burrows/Higgins + could get L Schenn/B Schenn/+ here...
- LordHumungous

id like to see both here sure. + tinordi from habs too

I like burrows and see us missing him if he got moved....BUT 4.5M is a bit much for how he's being utilized....but I agree that he needs better opportunity to excel again here than he's getting.

id like to see both here sure. + tinordi from habs too

I like burrows and see us missing him if he got moved....BUT 4.5M is a bit much for how he's being utilized....but I agree that he needs better opportunity to excel again here than he's getting.
- SMBDragon

We have lost 20 of 31 games, we should not be missing him too much

More teams would take on a rental for an old player over a player who is 35 years old and a year and a half left.

Burrows 0 points in last 8 games I think.
- VANTEL

some players value is more in the playoffs. Burrows is that player.

he scores clutch goals in key situations....2011 cup run would never have happened without burrows OT goal vs hawks in game 7....or the OT winner in game 2 of the final.

tim hunter was a player quinn acquired in 94...he was awful all season and I questioned why quinn got him....then playoffs hit and he was pretty awesome....made so much sense why he was brought in....he was almighty king kong in the final.

you dont move THOSE players you keep them

I see JB turning the page on many vets prolly.
Hard to say who he replaces them with in either trades or UFA's.
The more salary he can trade or dump or buyout the better.
Gonna be a few lean years coming up i figure.

Draft n develop is the answer.
We r long in the tooth n the window is closed for now.

some players value is more in the playoffs. Burrows is that player.

he scores clutch goals in key situations....2011 cup run would never have happened without burrows OT goal vs hawks in game 7....or the OT winner in game 2 of the final.

tim hunter was a player quinn acquired in 94...he was awful all season and I questioned why quinn got him....then playoffs hit and he was pretty awesome....made so much sense why he was brought in....he was almighty king kong in the final.

you dont move THOSE players you keep them
- SMBDragon

Burrows use to score clutch goals. He use to score 20 plus goals a year. He use to be a top agitator.

Right now he is just being a good team mate and trying to do whatever is asked of him, but his good days are long gone now.

Because our division s embarrassingly weak I will put the playoff bar at 90 pts this year. For us to do that we need 60 pts in 51 games. We probably wont see the playoffs