Plus you are all bumholes
- jochfr

That's what stinks

Tho this is really where id love to bust into a certain team america speech

That's what stinks
- cabin

Samson? Is that you?

That's what stinks
- cabin

Well done

This is kind of a skewed way of looking at it. it was a loaded draft. And BTW Colin White looks like a tremendous prospect (currently leads the nation in freshman scoring)
- MCGUIZZY

Yeah, you have to look at players within maybe 3 or 4 spots either way, but even still the names aren't anything to write home about. Without a doubt there were a few big names in there Giroux being one that immediately springs to mind, but more than anything it seems to be a crap shoot at 21 at best. This isn't the NFL where you're pretty much guaranteed to get a starter with a first round pick. But you can't compare, because the talent pool is so, so much bigger in football than in hockey. NFL teams are 2.5 times the size of NHL teams, and I just looked it up there is no maximum roster size in college after the season/semester begins, 105 before that. And there are 128 FBS/division 1-A teams and there are 124 FCS teams, and that's just division 1, so people who think that a first round pick in hockey is equivalent to a first round pick in the NFL are kidding themselves, and I think on a subconscious level a lot of people equate the 2.

Yeah, you have to look at players within maybe 3 or 4 spots either way, but even still the names aren't anything to write home about. Without a doubt there were a few big names in there Giroux being one that immediately springs to mind, but more than anything it seems to be a crap shoot at 21 at best. This isn't the NFL where you're pretty much guaranteed to get a starter with a first round pick. But you can't compare, because the talent pool is so, so much bigger in football than in hockey. NFL teams are 2.5 times the size of NHL teams, and I just looked it up there is no maximum roster size in college after the season/semester begins, 105 before that. And there are 128 FBS/division 1-A teams and there are 124 FCS teams, and that's just division 1, so people who think that a first round pick in hockey is equivalent to a first round pick in the NFL are kidding themselves, and I think on a subconscious level a lot of people equate the 2.
- Wetbandit1

I was mainly talking about this past draft which was loaded with talent. But Two players immediately come o mind for me- Corey perry 28th overall and tyler ennis 26th overall. Not sure if anyone mentioned the NFl. I definitely didn't

So does Konecny, so does Roslovic (WPG pick)
- sbroads24

Yes, but we didn't "give" those picks away, we got known assets for them. There's risk involved, obviously. We got a known asset at "X" value, for an unknown asset at "Y" value. Now "Y" could absolutely be greater than "X", but it could just as easily be less than. I don't know what people don't get about that. And there's also the variable of time which we'll call "Z". So let's say player "X" is a 60 point per season player now so his "Z" would be 0, but let's say player "Y" will be a 70 point per season player in 5 years. So objectively, yes player "Y" is the better player, but if you need to compete now, his only value is to acquire player "X". That's part of the price. It's like an army trading space for time to regroup, sure they're giving up ground, but only so they can consolidate their forces and go back on the attack. Right now we're the guys attacking, taking space, but giving time. It could absolutely be the wrong call, but we can't know until the "battle" is over. And it hasn't even begun yet.

Yes, but we didn't "give" those picks away, we got known assets for them. There's risk involved, obviously. We got a known asset at "X" value, for an unknown asset at "Y" value. Now "Y" could absolutely be greater than "X", but it could just as easily be less than. I don't know what people don't get about that. And there's also the variable of time which we'll call "Z". So let's say player "X" is a 60 point per season player now so his "Z" would be 0, but let's say player "Y" will be a 70 point per season player in 5 years. So objectively, yes player "Y" is the better player, but if you need to compete now, his only value is to acquire player "X". That's part of the price. It's like an army trading space for time to regroup, sure they're giving up ground, but only so they can consolidate their forces and go back on the attack. Right now we're the guys attacking, taking space, but giving time. It could absolutely be the wrong call, but we can't know until the "battle" is over. And it hasn't even begun yet.
- Wetbandit1

I think you are missing the point. we traded our 21st pick for robin Lehner (an unproven asset). Everyone knew how loaded this draft was and we mention 2 or three players that we could have taken at that pick. these player are not 5 years away from making an impact. Lehner is just as much of an unknown in my opinion as these guys. it would be a different story if Lehner was a proven #1 goalie

Yes, but we didn't "give" those picks away, we got known assets for them. There's risk involved, obviously. We got a known asset at "X" value, for an unknown asset at "Y" value. Now "Y" could absolutely be greater than "X", but it could just as easily be less than. I don't know what people don't get about that. And there's also the variable of time which we'll call "Z". So let's say player "X" is a 60 point per season player now so his "Z" would be 0, but let's say player "Y" will be a 70 point per season player in 5 years. So objectively, yes player "Y" is the better player, but if you need to compete now, his only value is to acquire player "X". That's part of the price. It's like an army trading space for time to regroup, sure they're giving up ground, but only so they can consolidate their forces and go back on the attack. Right now we're the guys attacking, taking space, but giving time. It could absolutely be the wrong call, but we can't know until the "battle" is over. And it hasn't even begun yet.
- Wetbandit1

My point is we kind of didn't. Robin Lehner isn't a known quantity. Neither is Fasching.

O'Reilly definitely is. Kane and Bogo kind of are, both have been incredibly inconsistent/hurt

Too much whining here for me. It does not happen overnight . I will be happy if we get 25 more points than last year . They have to build chemistry , that does not happen in 1/3 of a season . 3 to 4 years from now this team will be contending for the cup . Possible playoff was dreaming. Let this team grow together and take comfort that they are no longer being whitewashed on the whole they compete every night and they are fun to watch again!

I think you are missing the point. we traded our 21st pick for robin Lehner (an unproven asset). Everyone knew how loaded this draft was and we mention 2 or three players that we could have taken at that pick. these player are not 5 years away from making an impact. Lehner is just as much of an unknown in my opinion as these guys. it would be a different story if Lehner was a proven #1 goalie
- MCGUIZZY

Lehner won a Calder cup for Murray in Binghamton . He feels he knows him and what his potential is . Look how many goalies Ottawa has produced lately . On the whole it was Murray brought them all in. Everyone needs to Relax.

Lehner won a Calder cup for Murray in Binghamton . He feels he knows him and what his potential is . Look how many goalies Ottawa has produced lately . On the whole it was Murray brought them all in. Everyone needs to Relax.
- Maximum Signal

I know the story man. Doesnt mean it was the right move

Too much whining here for me. It does not happen overnight . I will be happy if we get 25 more points than last year . They have to build chemistry , that does not happen in 1/3 of a season . 3 to 4 years from now this team will be contending for the cup . Possible playoff was dreaming. Let this team grow together and take comfort that they are no longer being whitewashed on the whole they compete every night and they are fun to watch again!


- Maximum Signal

Agreed Max. All this negativity . Could be worse and be Leaf fans

Yeah, you have to look at players within maybe 3 or 4 spots either way, but even still the names aren't anything to write home about. Without a doubt there were a few big names in there Giroux being one that immediately springs to mind, but more than anything it seems to be a crap shoot at 21 at best. This isn't the NFL where you're pretty much guaranteed to get a starter with a first round pick. But you can't compare, because the talent pool is so, so much bigger in football than in hockey. NFL teams are 2.5 times the size of NHL teams, and I just looked it up there is no maximum roster size in college after the season/semester begins, 105 before that. And there are 128 FBS/division 1-A teams and there are 124 FCS teams, and that's just division 1, so people who think that a first round pick in hockey is equivalent to a first round pick in the NFL are kidding themselves, and I think on a subconscious level a lot of people equate the 2.
- Wetbandit1

I don't know if the pool is al that much bigger but the projections are easier. NFL players are drafted at 22/23 years old. These are men are a mature physically. NHL players are drafted at 18 and many have a lot of physical maturity a head of them. When you look at your first round pick in the NHL you need to not only look at the players skill but also be able to predict where their size and strength will be in 3-4 years.

I know the story man. Doesnt mean it was the right move
- MCGUIZZY

In your opinion . Did you follow Lehner"s career closely before we made the Trade ? Tim Murray did. He is a professional scout who is known for his eye for talent . He had his heart set on Mr O'Reilly . I wanted no part of O'Reilly . Guess he knows his stuff after all.

I don't know if the pool is al that much bigger but the projections are easier. NFL players are drafted at 22/23 years old. These are men are a mature physically. NHL players are drafted at 18 and many have a lot of physical maturity a head of them. When you look at your first round pick in the NHL you need to not only look at the players skill but also be able to predict where their size and strength will be in 3-4 years.
- sskkoo1

And if the drive is there to be an NHL player. How many kids turn 19-20 and decide they want to be something else.

I think you are missing the point. we traded our 21st pick for robin Lehner (an unproven asset). Everyone knew how loaded this draft was and we mention 2 or three players that we could have taken at that pick. these player are not 5 years away from making an impact. Lehner is just as much of an unknown in my opinion as these guys. it would be a different story if Lehner was a proven #1 goalie
- MCGUIZZY

This is a silly argument. Both are unknowns.
One is a little less unknown by successfully taking the next step.
Try to get a starting Goaltender for the 21st pick...ain't happening.
Lehner did win the cup in the AHL as the starting goaltender.
I count that 10 times as much as a 18 year old kid paying against 16, 17, and 18 year olds.

And I'll predict that when Lehner comes back he is going to suck for a good portion of the remaining season...not sure if anyone has had a severe high ankle sprain...you are sitting on your a$$ for weeks. He will be out of game shape for months upon his return.
Can't wait to see the comments after his first game back.

Lehner won a Calder cup for Murray in Binghamton . He feels he knows him and what his potential is . Look how many goalies Ottawa has produced lately . On the whole it was Murray brought them all in. Everyone needs to Relax.
- Maximum Signal

I hope Murray is right on his potential, but as of right now, to me that trade still looks like, "Here, Uncle Bryan. Have a 1st round pick on me in an awesome draft as a thank you for giving me my career."

And if the drive is there to be an NHL player. How many kids turn 19-20 and decide they want to be something else.
- cabin

I know you're right, but I don't understand that one at all. You have a multi-million dollar salary lined up and you want to throw it away to become a musician or some crap like that. Some of these kids need their heads smacked.

In your opinion . Did you follow Lehner"s career closely before we made the Trade ? Tim Murray did. He is a professional scout who is known for his eye for talent . He had his heart set on Mr O'Reilly . I wanted no part of O'Reilly . Guess he knows his stuff after all.
- Maximum Signal

Dude you arent telling me anything I dont already know. I like all the moves he has made with the exception of the lehner trade. I dont think that was a smart move. Just because o'reilly is working out doesnt mean Lehner will. I hope he does though for my own sanity

This is a silly argument. Both are unknowns.
One is a little less unknown by successfully taking the next step.

- IonSabres

Try to get a starting Goaltender for the 21st pick...ain't happening.

Lehner did win the cup in the AHL as the starting goaltender.
I count that 10 times as much as a 18 year old kid paying against 16, 17, and 18 year olds.

And I'll predict that when Lehner comes back he is going to suck for a good portion of the remaining season...not sure if anyone has had a severe high ankle sprain...you are sitting on your a$$ for weeks. He will be out of game shape for months upon his return.
Can't wait to see the comments after his first game back.

Just because hes going to start for us doesnt make him worth that pick

This is a silly argument. Both are unknowns.
One is a little less unknown by successfully taking the next step.
Try to get a starting Goaltender for the 21st pick...ain't happening.
Lehner did win the cup in the AHL as the starting goaltender.
I count that 10 times as much as a 18 year old kid paying against 16, 17, and 18 year olds.

And I'll predict that when Lehner comes back he is going to suck for a good portion of the remaining season...not sure if anyone has had a severe high ankle sprain...you are sitting on your a$$ for weeks. He will be out of game shape for months upon his return.
Can't wait to see the comments after his first game back.
- IonSabres

Was thinking about saying the same thing…the 21st pick is a true unknown….and you have to wait a few years to even find out. Lerner was known to Murray, so he went with it. All other options with the 21st pick are unknown to us. So, "woulda coulda shoulda" is pretty much all thats left. Murray went for the players he wanted. He said "2 drafts to be competitive again." obviously, competitive is subjective, but they are more fun to watch than the last 2 years and are on schedule to be better at the end of the year point wise than they have the last 2. What people think Murray could have done with picks or prospects is irrelevant because its not what he did any way. He's committed to his stated plan and I'm sure he's not done.

This is a straw man argument. The 21st pick could have been used to move up. It could have been used to get a different player.

The 8th pick in the draft also has a bad history, and Risto is just fine.
- sbroads24

In either of those scenarios there would doubtless be questions about whom was acquired and pissing matches if, God forbid, said player gets hurt in his first half game played, or if the draft pick takes too long to develop, has a bad attitude, is too small, or doesn't produce immediately. After all, moving up means greater expectations and less patience for development.

Either way, the pick was used on a goalie and we have not seen what the guy can do. I believe he will be at least better than what we've been playing with this year, which will result in more wins and less for us to moan about.

Was thinking about saying the same thing…the 21st pick is a true unknown….and you have to wait a few years to even find out. Lerner was known to Murray, so he went with it. All other options with the 21st pick are unknown to us. So, "woulda coulda shoulda" is pretty much all thats left. Murray went for the players he wanted. He said "2 drafts to be competitive again." obviously, competitive is subjective, but they are more fun to watch than the last 2 years and are on schedule to be better at the end of the year point wise than they have the last 2. What people think Murray could have done with picks or prospects is irrelevant because its not what he did any way. He's committed to his stated plan and I'm sure he's not done.
- seedy

David Pastrnak was drafted 25th in 2014 - already looks like a top 6 NHL'er
Jared McCann was drafted 24th overall in 2014 - Has 6 goals and has looked good
Dylan Larkin was drafted 15th in 2014- Might be the calder winner.

They aren't all crapshoots, and they don't all take 5 years to pan out

Just because hes going to start for us doesnt make him worth that pick
- MCGUIZZY

If he starts for us, I assume he will be decent.
Most GMs would use their 21st to get their starter for a guy who typically will start 50+ games per season and play 60 minutes per night.