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nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Dec 11 @ 8:25 PM ET
I dislike tanking, but I understand-to an extent-what Hinkie is doing.

The NBA truly is a league where one superstar player can lift a team from lottery to contention, and not having that superstar turns you into the Atlanta Hawks, make the playoffs every year, win a round every couple years, never really contend. Hinkie is losing because that's the best way to get a shot at that franchise guy. He's dumping solid guys and stockpiling picks because without the star, the solid guys just make you mediocre.

I'd rather see leagues do away with their current lottery, and do a league wide one. Maybe give lesser teams a slightly better chance at top pick, but you could really put the kibosh on teams doing what the Sixers are doing & what others did, in the past.

I'm not sure that Colangelo is anything more than an effort by the league to spank the Sixers for being so blatant. And despite the plan, Hinkie has really done little to provide help for the good kids who should be the foundations of the future

- Jsaquella



I don't really like basketball all that much. I root for the Sixers because they are a philly team. I'm thankfully I don't like BB because if the Flyers were as bad as the Sixers and for as long as they have been bad, I think I would have lost my mind.

I do get that BB is the one sport where a superstar makes all the difference in the world and the overall level of talent is meh so ripping it apart and starting over had to be done but doesn't it go to say you have to start showing improvement? One pick has missed 2 seasons, one is in Europe and who knows if he will ever come over.....to think this organization went from Wilt, to Doc/Moses, to Barkley to AI to this dreck. sad
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Dec 11 @ 8:26 PM ET
If you don't hit with the 3rd overall pick, it sets you back.
- MJL

no poop....but embiid not playing vs drafting the schlubs after him is lose-lose ie setback
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 11 @ 8:27 PM ET
The sixers aren't tanking, they just stink.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Dec 11 @ 8:28 PM ET
The sixers aren't tanking, they just stink.
- JoeRussomanno



but hey the have 75 2nd round picks over the next 2 drafts
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 11 @ 8:28 PM ET
I acknowledged the pg thing was a bad move by Hinkie. Even Hinkie acknowledged it was a mistake. To call him incompetent based on the nightmare he inherited is a bit much. If you were going into this season expecting them to make any kind of leap then I don't know what to tell ya. That was never really a possibility.

I know they've won 1 game, but I think they'll just end the season as a regular bad team. The injuries have hurt. They have no depth, so when Marshall wasn't ready for the season, the drop off was dramatic.

I just think people are overreacting to a team that was supposed to be really bad and is, instead, awful.

Also, fwiw, I'm sorry if you thought my post was directed at you. It wasn't.

- PhillySportsGuy


You know what? I'm being a Richard, and it's because I'm in a foul mood about just how awful they are, and I'm just tired of them being awful.

I knew they were going to be terrible this year. You are correct. It's just frustrating because nothing should take this long and still be this bad.

I was never on board with tanking -- we all know that. I think they've tried to play the games the right way, with the lack of a PG killing them.

But I am just not on board with the failure to just let these kids lose and lose like this. I'm just not. I can't be.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Dec 11 @ 8:29 PM ET
Rules of the last expansion draft.


http://thehockeywriters.c...n-draft-whos-unprotected/

- MJL



I heard today that there may now be a $ or cap hit component to who/how you protect players
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 11 @ 8:31 PM ET
but hey the have 75 2nd round picks over the next 2 drafts
- nastyflyergirl

If you can't sell tickets, just draft enough scrubs to put up there.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Dec 11 @ 8:32 PM ET
Dear Hak

Please dont put Manning on the ice when Benn and Ty S are out there, I cant another week female doging and complaining about it.

Thanks
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 11 @ 8:33 PM ET
In the NBA, the light is the possibility of finding a superstar. Once you get one, things materialize quickly.
- PhillySportsGuy


Well, they might be batting 0-3 so far. Let's hope they get one, and things materialize quickly.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 11 @ 8:33 PM ET
I don't really like basketball all that much. I root for the Sixers because they are a philly team. I'm thankfully I don't like BB because if the Flyers were as bad as the Sixers and for as long as they have been bad, I think I would have lost my mind.

I do get that BB is the one sport where a superstar makes all the difference in the world and the overall level of talent is meh so ripping it apart and starting over had to be done but doesn't it go to say you have to start showing improvement? One pick has missed 2 seasons, one is in Europe and who knows if he will ever come over.....to think this organization went from Wilt, to Doc/Moses, to Barkley to AI to this dreck. sad

- nastyflyergirl


At least now we think they're trying to lose on purpose. But when they traded Moses, drafted guys like Christian Welp & Shawn Bradley, they were supposedly trying to win...ugh
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 11 @ 8:35 PM ET
You know what? I'm being a Richard, and it's because I'm in a foul mood about just how awful they are, and I'm just tired of them being awful.

I knew they were going to be terrible this year. You are correct. It's just frustrating because nothing should take this long and still be this bad.

I was never on board with tanking -- we all know that. I think they've tried to play the games the right way, with the lack of a PG killing them.

But I am just not on board with the failure to just let these kids lose and lose like this. I'm just not. I can't be.

- AllInForFlyers


They should have brought in a couple good solid vets, to lead the way. The manner in which they lose, even with some close games, isn't really teaching the youngsters anything but how to lose
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 11 @ 8:35 PM ET
no poop....but embiid not playing vs drafting the schlubs after him is lose-lose ie setback
- KINGKENZO


Even drafting a mediocre player, is better than one who will never play. Money and cap aside. The entire organization is a mess. Drafting a guard who can't shoot and then trading him because he can't shoot. Drafting Embiid, who has more question marks about him than just his physical health. There's questions of his attitude, and following his rehab direction. Okafor getting into multiple off court incidents. On and on, and on.
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Dec 11 @ 8:40 PM ET
What's with the echo echo echo
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 11 @ 8:43 PM ET
Only this team, i swear
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 11 @ 8:49 PM ET
Only this team, i swear
- JoeRussomanno

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JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 11 @ 8:51 PM ET
?
- 2Real

That 2 on 1 with schenn and giroux then they even get the follow up chance which ends up with mdz shooting it into niemi's chest
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 11 @ 8:51 PM ET
Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couturier-Simmonds
Raffl-Laughton-White
Vandevelde-Bellemare-Umberger

Shut up! I just solved all your problems
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 11 @ 8:51 PM ET
They should have brought in a couple good solid vets, to lead the way. The manner in which they lose, even with some close games, isn't really teaching the youngsters anything but how to lose
- Jsaquella


I don't even know WTF to do about it, now. Do you let Hinkie make the picks?

Colangelo has never been wired like that -- that dude has always been hands-on. He's older now, but that dude is a basketball lifer. I don't know that he's gonna let Hinkie drive the bus. He's just never been that guy
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 11 @ 8:52 PM ET
You know what? I'm being a Richard, and it's because I'm in a foul mood about just how awful they are, and I'm just tired of them being awful.

I knew they were going to be terrible this year. You are correct. It's just frustrating because nothing should take this long and still be this bad.

I was never on board with tanking -- we all know that. I think they've tried to play the games the right way, with the lack of a PG killing them.

But I am just not on board with the failure to just let these kids lose and lose like this. I'm just not. I can't be.

- AllInForFlyers


Believe me, it frustrates me watching them too. Seeing them not understand the most basic defensive concepts like how to defend an out of bounds play under their own basket is so frustrating. But the ultimate goal is to find that superstar. Once they get him, they have the assets to turn weaknesses into strengths. There is also no correlation between losing early as a kid and never developing. Just about every star player begins his career on a terrible team.

This will be the first offseason where the team doesn't have a heavy incentive to be terrible. Not saying they go crazy, but I think this is the last Trust The Process™ season. I think that was the case before Colangelo came aboard.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 11 @ 8:53 PM ET
I've said it before, but I think MDZ-Gudas can be a thing even when the Flyers are good

Not the top pair, obviously, and preferably the third pair

But I do think they could survive the transition
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 11 @ 8:54 PM ET
Well, they might be batting 0-3 so far. Let's hope they get one, and things materialize quickly.
- MJL


Jury is still out on Embiid. Okafor still has potential too. All you need is 1 though. Go 1/8 for all I care. As long as you get him, you're set
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 11 @ 8:56 PM ET
I've said it before, but I think MDZ-Gudas can be a thing even when the Flyers are good

Not the top pair, obviously, and preferably the third pair

But I do think they could survive the transition

- AllInForFlyers

No
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 11 @ 8:56 PM ET
That 2 on 1 with schenn and giroux then they even get the follow up chance which ends up with mdz shooting it into niemi's chest
- JoeRussomanno

oh yea if they were elite they'd have scored there
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 11 @ 8:57 PM ET
No
- JoeRussomanno


Ha! Ouch, but ok. Just throwing it out there, because all the kids aren't going to make it. The math says they just won't all be here, doing what we hope they will do
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Dec 11 @ 9:00 PM ET
oh yea if they were elite they'd have scored there
- 2Real

Well you know...
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