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Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Dec 9 @ 2:49 PM ET
Fine, but the Flyers can put the fries on the sandwich and call it "cultured cuisine" without sounding ridiculous.

Yeah, it's been opened.

- jmatchett383



PFFT! Good luck calling it "cultured cuisine" without sounding ridiculous
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 9 @ 2:49 PM ET
#BringBackHolmgren
- jfkst1


#KasparitisForElectricChair
stowerkraut
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: He fit in the lineup like Edgar Winter in the Wu-Tang Clan, PA
Joined: 01.13.2015

Dec 9 @ 2:50 PM ET
#LongLiveJohnston
- Nucker101


Long live .....

Who's Philly's coach???
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 9 @ 2:50 PM ET
Long live .....

Who's Philly's coach???

- stowerkraut


Some dude
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 9 @ 2:52 PM ET
Long live .....

Who's Philly's coach???

- stowerkraut

Reverend Killtaker
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 07.02.2008

Dec 9 @ 2:54 PM ET
PFFT! Good luck calling it "cultured cuisine" without sounding ridiculous
- Guile


We are fortunate enough to have C&Ps Crab Fries at the WBS arena...now thats cultured cuisine!

http://chickiesandpetes.com/history/
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 9 @ 2:55 PM ET
We are fortunate enough to have C&Ps Crab Fries at the WBS arena...now thats cultured cuisine!

http://chickiesandpetes.com/history/

- Reverend Killtaker


C&P Crab Fries are awesome. Overpriced as hell, but awesome.
stowerkraut
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: He fit in the lineup like Edgar Winter in the Wu-Tang Clan, PA
Joined: 01.13.2015

Dec 9 @ 2:56 PM ET
We're trading a top 6 LW and LW happens to be a position of need, our best prospect who is regarded as a top 5 d prospect in the league when we have one of the shallowest prospect pools in the league, and a third round draft pick when we're starved for top end picks. I agree that Seabrook would go for something along those lines, but that's not a trade the Pens can make. That's a trade that a team solidly in contention makes if they deem that Seabrook is the last thing to send them over the edge. We have a lot of other problems to fix before we start thinking about "the lay piece".
- Victoro311


Moot point since he's been extended but I think we agree that's what he would fetch and Pens aren't a fit. Tho to your point, if they filled a top 6 that meshed w/ 87 and hired a competent coach and turned things around I would make this deal.
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Dec 9 @ 3:05 PM ET
There's tons of better places in both Philly and South NJ, but those 2 are the best known. Jim's would be 3rd.
- jmatchett383

Tony Luke's?
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Dec 9 @ 3:06 PM ET

- Nucker101

Sounds like McCoy doesn't want to shake his hand this sunday
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 9 @ 3:08 PM ET
Tony Luke's?
- dbell646


Tony Luke's are okay. But really, there's hole-in-the-wall types of places that are better. Once a place starts getting known, the quality generally goes down the poopter. There's a few places on South Street that are great. There's a pizza shop about 5 minutes from my house in NJ that's pretty good. When it comes down to it, Pat's and Geno's just aren't that good. Thick, tough meat that isn't all that tasty, but the South Philly atmosphere is the real allure.
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Dec 9 @ 3:09 PM ET
Tony Luke's are okay. But really, there's hole-in-the-wall types of places that are better. Once a place starts getting known, the quality generally goes down the poopter. There's a few places on South Street that are great. There's a pizza shop about 5 minutes from my house in NJ that's pretty good. When it comes down to it, Pat's and Geno's just aren't that good. Thick, tough meat that isn't all that tasty, but the South Philly atmosphere is the real allure.
- jmatchett383

Anything is better then the crap they serve us over here. I go to Cape May every summer I eat cheesesteaks every day while I'm there LOL!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 9 @ 3:09 PM ET
Sounds like McCoy doesn't want to shake his hand this sunday
- dbell646


Chip Kelly should play into it by donning a clasman robe/hood and bringing his whip with him. It would be one of the less ridiculous decision that he's made in the past 12 months.
holeinone
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 07.03.2007

Dec 9 @ 3:10 PM ET
Remember when Pittsburgh had stockpile of Dmen. And then they just blew them away for almost nothing. Got nothing for Orpik, Nisky, Martin,Streit, ZMichalek and then dumped Despres for Lovejoy. Got rid of Harrington In the Kessel deal and have DPouliot languishing in WBS. We could have got something for those aforementioned guys but chose to let them walk for nothing. But they got Scuderi to settle things down You talk about STUPID But there is not cure for STUPID
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Dec 9 @ 3:11 PM ET
Chip Kelly should play into it by donning a clasman robe/hood and bringing his whip with him. It would be one of the less ridiculous decision that he's made in the past 12 months.
- jmatchett383

Dcoms
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Chatham , ON
Joined: 06.22.2014

Dec 9 @ 3:13 PM ET
Fixed that for you. Final correction of the day I promise.


- jaydogg1974

What a tool! Correct away but your definition of the word "correct" differs from webster's quite a bit. And I find you to be utterly idiotic so maybe your definition of correct is that anything you call correct is something anyone else would call idiotic. Yo yo Jaydog in da house everyone listen up cause he about to schoo ya'll on some hockey sh1t!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 9 @ 3:17 PM ET
Remember when Pittsburgh had stockpile of Dmen. And then they just blew them away for almost nothing. Got nothing for Orpik, Nisky, Martin,Streit, ZMichalek and then dumped Despres for Lovejoy. Got rid of Harrington In the Kessel deal and have DPouliot languishing in WBS. We could have got something for those aforementioned guys but chose to let them walk for nothing. But they got Scuderi to settle things down You talk about STUPID But there is not cure for STUPID
- holeinone


They held onto Orpik/Niskanen/Martin because they tried to win. You can't go all in to win and not lose players. Losing Orpik didn't hurt them, because he's slightly better than Scuderi at this point. They knew they were going to lose Martin/Niskanen, but knew that keeping them gave them a better chance to win a Cup.
Dcoms
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Chatham , ON
Joined: 06.22.2014

Dec 9 @ 3:20 PM ET
They held onto Orpik/Niskanen/Martin because they tried to win. You can't go all in to win and not lose players. Losing Orpik didn't hurt them, because he's slightly better than Scuderi at this point. They knew they were going to lose Martin/Niskanen, but knew that keeping them gave them a better chance to win a Cup.
- jmatchett383

If we didn't have Scuderi's contract and one of Dupuis or Kunitz we could have easily hung onto Martin this offseason and likely would have. Scuderi kills this team in every way.
Who knows, with no Scuderi contract we may have kept Nisky, he and Maatta were an excellent pairing. Haveing Nisky or Martin right now would be ideal.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 9 @ 3:23 PM ET
If we didn't have Scuderi's contract and one of Dupuis or Kunitz we could have easily hung onto Martin this offseason and likely would have. Scuderi kills this team in every way.
Who knows, with no Scuderi contract we may have kept Nisky, he and Maatta were an excellent pairing. Haveing Nisky or Martin right now would be ideal.

- Dcoms


I agree, although I think Niskanen took a discount when Washington decided to take Orpik as well (just my thoughts) as he could have easily made $6.5M if not $7M outright. But yes, without Scuderi, Martin may still be here. But that's one of the perils of trying to win every year, you have roster turnover.
jaydogg1974
Joined: 06.18.2012

Dec 9 @ 3:28 PM ET
What a tool! Correct away but your definition of the word "correct" differs from webster's quite a bit. And I find you to be utterly idiotic so maybe your definition of correct is that anything you call correct is something anyone else would call idiotic. Yo yo Jaydog in da house everyone listen up cause he about to schoo ya'll on some hockey sh1t!
- Dcoms


Well then that may be our problem, I don't know how Websters defines correct because I usually use dictionary.com and it defines correct as:

1.
to set or make true, accurate, or right; remove the errors or faults from:
The native guide corrected our pronunciation. The new glasses corrected his eyesight.
2.
to point out or mark the errors in:
The teacher corrected the examination papers.
3.
to scold, rebuke, or punish in order to improve:
Should parents correct their children in public?
4.
to counteract the operation or effect of (something hurtful or undesirable):
The medication will correct stomach acidity.
5.
Mathematics, Physics. to alter or adjust so as to bring into accordance with a standard or with a required condition.

Which is pretty accurate for what I have done so the confusion clearly lies in where we're getting our definitions from.
jaydogg1974
Joined: 06.18.2012

Dec 9 @ 3:34 PM ET
They held onto Orpik/Niskanen/Martin because they tried to win. You can't go all in to win and not lose players. Losing Orpik didn't hurt them, because he's slightly better than Scuderi at this point. They knew they were going to lose Martin/Niskanen, but knew that keeping them gave them a better chance to win a Cup.
- jmatchett383


I still believe they were a better overall team resigning Martin and looking for a lesser deal to the Kessel trade to fill the offensive depth. Retaining Martin and trading for an Oshie type forward would have been the better option for building a contending roster.
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Dec 9 @ 3:35 PM ET
Is it just a coincidence that since the emergence of Analytics 'big time' (I know a couple of teams used them for a few years the Kings being 1 - what a scoring machine that organisation is! ), that scoring has basically reduced to a crawl for most teams?

Guys that keep the puck can be defended because the D know what type of player he is, D gets set & prepared & works those good puck possession guys & stops them from getting any real chances away most nights. Vanilla hockey players playing vanilla hockey.

P Kane from what I've seen is playing a 85% attacking style of hockey with limited D involvement (small sample size ), so the D can't control what the (frank) he's doing because he's unpredictable - unpredictability creates better scoring chances & with a guy as skillfull as Kane, the man knows how to put the puck in the net! Unpredictable players are more often that not are on the wrong side of Analytics???

But keep building players off analytical data that is flawed - the hockey gods have fallen asleep!
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Dec 9 @ 3:39 PM ET
Is it just a coincidence that since the emergence of Analytics 'big time' (I know a couple of teams used them for a few years the Kings being 1 - what a scoring machine that organisation is! ), that scoring has basically reduced to a crawl for most teams?

Guys that keep the puck can be defended because the D know what type of player he is, D gets set & prepared & works those good puck possession guys & stops them from getting any real chances away most nights. Vanilla hockey players playing vanilla hockey.

P Kane from what I've seen is playing a 85% attacking style of hockey with limited D involvement (small sample size ), so the D can't control what the (frank) he's doing because he's unpredictable - unpredictability creates better scoring chances & with a guy as skillfull as Kane, the man knows how to put the puck in the net! Unpredictable players are more often that not are on the tong side of Analytics???

But keep building players off analytical data that is flawed - the hockey gods have fallen asleep!

- Aussiepenguin


Could be the case. But I would think it more like refinement in personnel decisions is leading to greater skill parity. CHI was probably one of the first teams to widely implement it.
Kane has always been largely and offensively player and very mediocre defensively. Plenty of bad analytics players are predictable. We all know Scuderi is going to turnover the puck along the boards like clockwork.

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 9 @ 3:40 PM ET
I still believe they were a better overall team resigning Martin and looking for a lesser deal to the Kessel trade to fill the offensive depth. Retaining Martin and trading for an Oshie type forward would have been the better option for building a contending roster.
- jaydogg1974


Without unloading the Spaling/Sutter contracts, they didn't have the $$ to sign Martin to what he got from SJ.
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Dec 9 @ 3:47 PM ET
Without unloading the Spaling/Sutter contracts, they didn't have the $$ to sign Martin to what he got from SJ.
- jmatchett383


Not to mention, Martin everyone is missing him right now because the team is in such disarray. Guarantee plenty of people would be complaining about his old slow injury prone ass being on the roster for $5m/yr long term over a young player too.
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