Ill give Pouliot/Clendening their opportunity to shine, see if Sprong can play top 6, then re-evaluate.

Though were likely to wake up tomorrow and see all that cap space used on Mark Fayne...
- YouMeAndDupuis9

It amazes me that we're the only organization that refuses to treat their bad contracts as sunk cost. The Kings waved Richards last year, the Oilers waved Fayne and Nikitan, the Flyers waved McDonald and constantly scratch Vinnie L. Glass is constantly scratched in New York. Why the (frank) are we incapable to do this with Scuderi?

Cuz you know, Scuds wins cups.

Sundqvist returns for the 2nd phew!
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I asked Sullivan on his way to the locker room when is headed to Pitt they need him and he responded with a grin. read into it however you want haha
- Reverend Killtaker

It amazes me that we're the only organization that refuses to treat their bad contracts as sunk cost. The Kings waved Richards last year, the Oilers waved Fayne and Nikitan, the Flyers waved McDonald and constantly scratch Vinnie L. Glass is constantly scratched in New York. Why the (frank) are we incapable to do this with Scuderi?
- Victoro311

I can't remember where I read it... Maybe it was DK or Yohe. Apparently the Pens want to be known as team that honors it's players contracts. They think it makes a difference when trying to convince players to sign here.

Take that fwiw, but I certainly can see that angle.

Right, they are a history lesson of past events, but they are also the best tools used to make educated guesses based on those past events and trends. If you're not going to use stats, analytics, in combination with watching with your own eyes to form an opinion based on nhl players, teams.. or even something like the stock market... how exactly do you make decisions? Just try and guess the whole time?
- j.boyd919

I'm not saying that - the stock market? Here we go again, next will be the weather!!!

I've said Corsi is flawed & justified that statement that no one to date has challenged!

Sample size is used when the conditions & environment are the same. Hockey games are very different each game! If you say Corsi is an average then ok I agree to a certain extent only with the correlation of data over different testing conditions. Giving a player a positive or negative total without being involved in the play is not statistically accurate to say the least - that is a flawed entry.

Now that & correlation over different conditions & environments calling them the same = flawed results.

Waiting for talent analysis?

First & foremost you watch what players do with or without whatever object they're playing with - this case the puck.

Shots, shots that are genuine chances, assists, assists to shots that you will have to watch games for. Goals scored, defence techniques again on players & away from players. All this would be recent stats & observations. Speed, & ability evaluations.

Who these players play with & the different abilities they have compared to what a team - your team, needs. Need D don't look for a LW!

That's just a start, of course better more knowledgable people than me that will do better things.

One thing I wouldn't do is rely on historical data, or put much faith in a statistic that totals events without even participation or any stat evolved from that!!

How's that Boydy Boy for a start??
- Aussiepenguin

So... recent stats aren't historical data? Shots, shots that are genuine chances, assists, goals for/against.. these are all historical stats whether it be yesterday or the first game of the season or last season. First off, if you think that anyone who studies, or goes by advanced stats only rely on stats from 2 or 3 years ago, you're extremely misinformed and very ignorant. Those stats from 2 or 3 years ago are used to evaluate trends in players to see if they continue. And those evaluations can come in the form of corsi, goals, plus/minus, whatever it may be. Player A puts up 23 goals, then 29, then 36... he is trending upward. Player A also has a corsi for of 51.2, 54.7, and 58.2 in those respective years. Again his corsi is trending upwards. Corsi, fenwick, pdo, corsi relative, qot, etc.

Are all just ingredients that assist people base their decisions, the keyword is ASSIST. Again, if you believe that a certain advanced stat is the end all be all to anyone evaluating talent.. you are sadly mistaken. Everything that you said that you use to evaluate talent is exactly what scouts use... but they also use more, and why shouldn't they? Everything that you gave in your assessment in talent can relate back to any advanced statistic when used as one tool in the giant toolbox there is to evaluate talent.

Just because some player had a corsi of 56.7 in 2014 does not mean he should be on the penguins in 2016. But if a player has continued that trend, while producing significant numbers whole keep goals against to a minimum, of course he should be on the penguins or any team for that matter.

The more knowledgable people, that do better things than you... those are the ones that use advanced statistics to analyze the talent they are after.

I'm not saying that - the stock market? Here we go again, next will be the weather!!!

I've said Corsi is flawed & justified that statement that no one to date has challenged!

Sample size is used when the conditions & environment are the same. Hockey games are very different each game! If you say Corsi is an average then ok I agree to a certain extent only with the correlation of data over different testing conditions. Giving a player a positive or negative total without being involved in the play is not statistically accurate to say the least - that is a flawed entry.

Now that & correlation over different conditions & environments calling them the same = flawed results.
- Aussiepenguin

Again, when looked at alone, of course corsi is going to be flawed. But when used coinciding with other stats, be it quality of team mate, time on ice, shots, plus/minus, and so forth, it can be a very strong tool to come up with a complete analysis.

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So... recent stats aren't historical data? Shots, shots that are genuine chances, assists, goals for/against.. these are all historical stats whether it be yesterday or the first game of the season or last season. First off, if you think that anyone who studies, or goes by advanced stats only rely on stats from 2 or 3 years ago, you're extremely misinformed and very ignorant. Those stats from 2 or 3 years ago are used to evaluate trends in players to see if they continue. And those evaluations can come in the form of corsi, goals, plus/minus, whatever it may be. Player A puts up 23 goals, then 29, then 36... he is trending upward. Player A also has a corsi for of 51.2, 54.7, and 58.2 in those respective years. Again his corsi is trending upwards. Corsi, fenwick, pdo, corsi relative, qot, etc.

Are all just ingredients that assist people base their decisions, the keyword is ASSIST. Again, if you believe that a certain advanced stat is the end all be all to anyone evaluating talent.. you are sadly mistaken. Everything that you said that you use to evaluate talent is exactly what scouts use... but they also use more, and why shouldn't they? Everything that you gave in your assessment in talent can relate back to any advanced statistic when used as one tool in the giant toolbox there is to evaluate talent.

Just because some player had a corsi of 56.7 in 2014 does not mean he should be on the penguins in 2016. But if a player has continued that trend, while producing significant numbers whole keep goals against to a minimum, of course he should be on the penguins or any team for that matter.

The more knowledgable people, that do better things than you... those are the ones that use advanced statistics to analyze the talent they are after.
- j.boyd919

So goals are analytical data? That's news. Here I was thinking goals were around since Jesus was a boy??

RW show historical data ALL the time from years previous - basing his opinions on historical data! Look at today's, his summary is basing an opinion from data in 2013 that affects his current day value. Does Folwer play like those stats say he does today? He's running a about 25% for assists compared to faves where his career is around 33%. So he is down in that so far this year. But his hero chart has him up as top pairing numbers for assists - is that accurate (don't have time to calculate over all D men - finishing my Vegimite sandwich & getting back to work!)?

You say goals yesterday is historical data? Correct it's in the past but extremely relevant to tomorrow. 3 years ago player A scored a goal, that's not relevant to tomorrow! Trends you say, ok goals scoring is a factual statistic that is a real event, accepted yesterday today & tomorrow. Corsi is not a factual event it's not real it doesn't existing science it exists in maths. Stats evolved from Corsi using that data & expanding on it are the same - not actual events, they are formulated events. Are you going to contract Player B if he scored 30 goals 3 years ago but has been injured for 2 buts says he is going to score 30 goals again?

Show me a statistic that measures speed on the ice in play (seriously I've never seen a stat that says this player makes fast plays), & show me a stat that shows a D man getting into good position to stop a play with a puck going near him? Show me a stat that shows a player getting into an offensive position ready to score but the puck doesn't get to him. Show me a stat that has a player avoid a contact due to who it is that wants to make that contact?

Please, can you show me those stats as you have said all those observations can be identified in analytical data??

Again, when looked at alone, of course corsi is going to be flawed. But when used coinciding with other stats, be it quality of team mate, time on ice, shots, plus/minus, and so forth, it can be a very strong tool to come up with a complete analysis.
- j.boyd919

Is Corsi flawed? Just answer the question (bud?).

Nearly every if not every analytical conversation starts with CF CA!!!!

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G-Dominic Simon (2) Breakaway
Unassisted.

Is Corsi flawed? Just answer the question (bud?).

Nearly every if not every analytical conversation starts with CF CA!!!!
- Aussiepenguin

As I said, when looked at in a vacuum, yes. But when used the way it's meant to, it has its advantages. Is a screwdriver flawed? Yes. But when used in conjunction with every other tool in the shed it complates a toolset.

WBS 5
Syracuse 1

G-Dominic Simon (2) Breakaway
Unassisted.

- Reverend Killtaker

What position is he playing? Which line? Where is Syracuse on the ladder?

So goals are analytical data? That's news. Here I was thinking goals were around since Jesus was a boy??

RW show historical data ALL the time from years previous - basing his opinions on historical data! Look at today's, his summary is basing an opinion from data in 2013 that affects his current day value. Does Folwer play like those stats say he does today? He's running a about 25% for assists compared to faves where his career is around 33%. So he is down in that so far this year. But his hero chart has him up as top pairing numbers for assists - is that accurate (don't have time to calculate over all D men - finishing my Vegimite sandwich & getting back to work!)?

You say goals yesterday is historical data? Correct it's in the past but extremely relevant to tomorrow. 3 years ago player A scored a goal, that's not relevant to tomorrow! Trends you say, ok goals scoring is a factual statistic that is a real event, accepted yesterday today & tomorrow. Corsi is not a factual event it's not real it doesn't existing science it exists in maths. Stats evolved from Corsi using that data & expanding on it are the same - not actual events, they are formulated events. Are you going to contract Player B if he scored 30 goals 3 years ago but has been injured for 2 buts says he is going to score 30 goals again?

Show me a statistic that measures speed on the ice in play (seriously I've never seen a stat that says this player makes fast plays), & show me a stat that shows a D man getting into good position to stop a play with a puck going near him? Show me a stat that shows a player getting into an offensive position ready to score but the puck doesn't get to him. Show me a stat that has a player avoid a contact due to who it is that wants to make that contact?

Please, can you show me those stats as you have said all those observations can be identified in analytical data??
- Aussiepenguin

So.. again.. you're saying that people who use stats use stats and only stats. Again your logic is extremely flawed. You said Corsi is flawed, but it is your thought logic that is actually flawed. I think we're done here.

As I said, when looked at in a vacuum, yes. But when used the way it's meant to, it has its advantages. Is a screwdriver flawed? Yes. But when used in conjunction with every other tool in the shed it complates a toolset.
- j.boyd919

A screw driver unscrews screws & screws up screws very well! I know I use them every day - very bad analogy!

Corsi is used & evolves into other stats you have mentioned. It is a primary colour if you like - not the only 1 but 1 of only a few!!!

I go back to my original comment that you attempted to hijack, & say if teams are being built around these stats then the hockey will lose it's dynamics. Everyone playing the same as I said is vanilla ice ice baby!!

Somebody please, throw me a bone & put the gif in!

Now answer my questions Boydy boy - I've answered yours! Show me the stats you say exist above!!!!

What position is he playing? Which line? Where is Syracuse on the ladder?
- Aussiepenguin

2nd line. LW
Not sure where Syracuse is. Lightning farm team.

So.. again.. you're saying that people who use stats use stats and only stats. Again your logic is extremely flawed. You said Corsi is flawed, but it is your thought logic that is actually flawed. I think we're done here.
- j.boyd919

Where did I say that??

2nd line. LW
- Reverend Killtaker

Hello Mr Crosby meet Mr Simon!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rog8ou-ZepE

For all you lonely hearts out there............

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WBS 6
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G Dominic Uher breakaway
A sundqvist
- Reverend Killtaker

Why is Sundqvist not called up? Why?

Why is Sundqvist not called up? Why?
- powerhouse

Especially when he could be mentored by the best??

Why is Sundqvist not called up? Why?
- powerhouse

No room for him.

No room for him.
- madmike71

Dupuis is out.

Just quietly, for a team that everyone wrote off & thought the new GM had lost his mind, Boston is moving along! With games in hand have a very good chance to move into top 3 Atlantic!