Lots of fog on the Opera house this morning. Can't even see the bridge!!!
- Aussiepenguin

Are you one of them Surry Hills hipsters?

Are you one of them Surry Hills yinzers?
- chimpira

Got a retort better than 'huh'? Throw some ideas at me.
- Aussiepenguin

I say "huh?" because you are trying to say that advanced statistics are flawed, but yet 7 of the last 10 Stanley Cup winners were among the leading teams in 5v5 CF, 6 of those 7 were top 5, only last years Hawks were no. 6. Three of those 6 teams were no. 1. Sure, teams like the Canes, Bruins, and Pens bucked that trend, but it is safe to say that there is a trend that the teams at the top of the advanced stats (not just Corsi, but all the others when taken into account) tend to be more successful than the ones that do not. And I understand I only chose corsi, but when you look at Corsi, Fenwick, PDO, Zone Entires, Zone Starts, Goal Differential, Faceoffs, Points, etc. as different "ingredients" to the "recipe for success" they tend to compliment each other to provide people/teams/front office with extremely helpful analytic tools to build their team with. BUT if you look at one advanced statistic as the end all-be all stat, and use JUST THAT to form your team... of course its going to be flawed, they are never meant to be used as THE tool, but only AN OPTION of tools. You gonna build a house with just a drill? No, you're gonna use a hammer, a level, a drill, drywall, etc. etc. etc...

Okay, great. New cap room and the organization can't play 9 and 87 together. Now, all they have to do is find a player who can come in and save team.

Okay, great. New cap room and the organization can't play 9 and 87 together. Now, all they have to do is find a player who can come in and save team.
- Johnny Wrath

gonna do this only because of your profile description

Okay, great. New cap room and the organization can't play 9 and 87 together. Now, all they have to do is find a player who can come in and save team.
- Johnny Wrath

We don't need a savior. We need a competent coach an a moderate improvement to our blue line. Neither of those two things are super difficult.

I say "huh?" because you are trying to say that advanced statistics are flawed...
- j.boyd919

My theory on people who insist that statistics don't have value is that they fall into these two categories:

- They are innumerate and it's more convenient to attack empirical data than to admit ignorance;

- There are no absolutes in the scientific method. Innumerate people find this confusing and would rather feel much more satisfied if they could categorize things in a vague, mutilated fashion, i.e., the eye test.

None of this is relevant to the Penguins' absolute poop team defense, their total lack of interest in gaining or regaining the puck, or the undeniable impulse to attempt to make the cutest play possible at any given stage of the game. Pittsburgh are classified as 'a team that doesn't know what they are.' This is untrue. They are a team determined to take the maximum amount of shortcuts with the least amount of competitive spirit while imagining their three good players scoring at a higher rate than this team approach gives away in the form of goals against.

We don't need a savior. We need a competent coach an a moderate improvement to our blue line. Neither of those two things are super difficult.
- Victoro311

So the new coach needs to save the team and not the new player?

Haven't you died of old age yet???
- Dcoms

Bite me MORON

So the new coach needs to save the team and not the new player?
- Johnny Wrath

Well no because because the coach doesn't need to be messianic or do anything earth shattering. He just needs to a) actually command some semblance of respect in order to motivate his players to play for him b) not make pig headed line up decisions and b) allow the players to play a brand of hockey suited to their strengths. He basically only has to be the hockey equivalent of Eric Spolstra.

Well no because because the coach doesn't need to be messianic or do anything earth shattering. He just needs to a) actually command some semblance of respect in order to motivate his players to play for him b) not make pig headed line up decisions and b) allow the players to play a brand of hockey suited to their strengths. He basically only has to be the hockey equivalent of Eric Spolstra.
- Victoro311

Also someone who will ice the best players and not give preference to players like Scuderi based on seniority or some other nonsensical reason that only one person knows.

Also someone who will ice the best players and not give preference to players like Scuderi based on seniority or some other nonsensical reason that only one person knows.
- chimpira

Someone that isn't so risk adverse they are scared of their own shadow. Turn up the aggression dial on the system and stop being scared to play young players.

Looks like Sprong is in tonight. Got my tickets, hopefully its a good game.

Also someone who will ice the best players and not give preference to players like Scuderi based on seniority or some other nonsensical reason that only one person knows.
- chimpira

Basically what I meant by pig headed line up decisions.

I honestly say we go internal. On the one hand we have Martin who should be able to command the players respect but his system may not be an improvement over Johnston's. On the other hand we have Sullivan who will probably implement a better system but his short body as a HC may not inspire respect. Both are gambles but neither are as big a gamble as keeping Coach Farce on board.

Interest though brought up earlier about trading Hornqvist for a forward. I'd err on the side of just keeping Hornqvist unless its for a Dman but wonder if theres another Hornqvist for Neal type trade out there....where we get more of a skilled/sniper in return for a net front guy.

Looks like he's on the 4th with Plot and Cullen.....UFB!

CO sucks, non division game, no reason not to mix things up.

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/...ay-rookie-sprong-tonight/

Provides nothing that the Ducks need either. Like the Pens they need left wings, not right.

Another thing not addressed is that tons of teams are looking for mobile PMD, and most have more trade assets available than the Penguins. Teams will probably need to overpay for even mediocre top 4. Young ones still looking at RFA contracts will cost the moon
- Random35

..young PMD never had as much value as we thought they did in the past...Morrow, Despres, etc

Buffalo, despite loading up their team, find them at the bottom of the standings yet again.

2nd(from Vancouver) and Guentzel to Buffalo for Franson
- cap1681

NO!!!!!!!!!!

Are you one of them Surry Hills hipsters?
- chimpira

Negative Houston. Although I look after a few buildings in Surry Hills & Zetland (where I'm heading as I write!). Gay capital of Sydney also - not that there's anything wrong with that! ).

I say "huh?" because you are trying to say that advanced statistics are flawed, but yet 7 of the last 10 Stanley Cup winners were among the leading teams in 5v5 CF, 6 of those 7 were top 5, only last years Hawks were no. 6. Three of those 6 teams were no. 1. Sure, teams like the Canes, Bruins, and Pens bucked that trend, but it is safe to say that there is a trend that the teams at the top of the advanced stats (not just Corsi, but all the others when taken into account) tend to be more successful than the ones that do not. And I understand I only chose corsi, but when you look at Corsi, Fenwick, PDO, Zone Entires, Zone Starts, Goal Differential, Faceoffs, Points, etc. as different "ingredients" to the "recipe for success" they tend to compliment each other to provide people/teams/front office with extremely helpful analytic tools to build their team with. BUT if you look at one advanced statistic as the end all-be all stat, and use JUST THAT to form your team... of course its going to be flawed, they are never meant to be used as THE tool, but only AN OPTION of tools. You gonna build a house with just a drill? No, you're gonna use a hammer, a level, a drill, drywall, etc. etc. etc...
- j.boyd919

Analytics are a history lesson of past events. I'll bet I can put data together to show some type of event that all champs have in common.

Different systems using different skill sets that may or may not have similar analytical data that someone goes & matches & calls it evidence!!

Looks like he's on the 4th with Plot and Cullen.....UFB!

CO sucks, non division game, no reason not to mix things up.

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/...ay-rookie-sprong-tonight/
- sammy87

He's being put onto the most effective, non-Malkin line on the team.

Johnston should do whatever the hell he wants since it's a virtual certainty that he'll be fired on 1/2/16.

He's being put onto the most effective, non-Malkin line on the team.

Johnston should do whatever the hell he wants since it's a virtual certainty that he'll be fired on 1/2/16.
- Johnny Wrath

If he wants to get another job at the NHL level he needs to do whatever good he can in his limited time left. Who would really hire him after this mess?

Looks like he's on the 4th with Plot and Cullen.....UFB!

CO sucks, non division game, no reason not to mix things up.

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/...ay-rookie-sprong-tonight/
- sammy87

I'm assuming then that Fehr is on the top line with Kunitz and Crosby. Bennett on Bonino's left. Finally find a line combination for Crosby that's not a complete dumpster fire and MJ breaks it and a line that's been great together up in order to limit the ice of a player with upside...

I guess it's Sprong's first game back, so I won't female dog too hard about it, but just saying.

My theory on people who insist that statistics don't have value is that they fall into these two categories:

- They are innumerate and it's more convenient to attack empirical data than to admit ignorance;

- There are no absolutes in the scientific method. Innumerate people find this confusing and would rather feel much more satisfied if they could categorize things in a vague, mutilated fashion, i.e., the eye test.

None of this is relevant to the Penguins' absolute poop team defense, their total lack of interest in gaining or regaining the puck, or the undeniable impulse to attempt to make the cutest play possible at any given stage of the game. Pittsburgh are classified as 'a team that doesn't know what they are.' This is untrue. They are a team determined to take the maximum amount of shortcuts with the least amount of competitive spirit while imagining their three good players scoring at a higher rate than this team approach gives away in the form of goals against.
- Johnny Wrath

So plus/minus is bogus but Corsi is the real deal?

Both are formulated the exact same way!!!! Yes but people are innumerate that question Corsi????

You certainly have your poop together!!

Looks like Sprong is in tonight. Got my tickets, hopefully its a good game.
- sammy87

Hope you have a good time. Can I expect to see your grumpy face on tv while I watch? I also kinda hope the pens lose 5-0 and Johnston gets fired in the 2nd intermission. Would make my day to not see him behind the bench by the end of the game. I know it wont happen. Just wishful thinking.