I remember quite a few rants over the past couple years. It's hard to keep them apart.
- 1979AD

When something is subjective you have to take a close look at the numbers and not give it full credence.

I'm still waiting for a valid explanation as to why shot attempts are a better metric for possession than O-Zone time.
- 1979AD

Agreed.


With the looming advance of the camera tracking system, this should be available soon.

Oh Sparks is going back to the Marlies unless Reimer is injured still but he has proven he can play, he never quits on a play, that save on Stempniak was outstanding in the shootout.
- LeafMan

oh.. i like sparks.. and i am glad he has proven his skill.. it allows the leafs brass to consider trading one of reimer / bernier at the deadline without concerns of not having another NHL capable goaltender in the system

Ah ok.
but can play in NHL?
weird.

thanks
- Fakepartofme

yup he still can play in the NHL.

while he has shown to have outgrown the OHL he has still yet to prove if he can play against men.

I think the brass will approach next camp with an open mind, but if he isnt physically ready yet and gets repeatedly bumped off the puck, i bet you see him as an over ager in the OHL next year
- Dozzer

Yeah could happen but I think with the way Babcoock has them playing it will be an easier choice to keep him.

I'm still waiting for a valid explanation as to why shot attempts are a better metric for possession than O-Zone time.
- 1979AD

I think you hit the foundation of my basic argument against these stats. They don't seem to be measuring the right thing.

I think the advanced stats are still in their infancy and people are measuring what is currently possible to measure, which is OK, as long as they don't just assume it means something else.

The other problem is that your point/suggestion will go unheard. Generally, the proponents of advanced stats are a bunch of arrogant zealots. They are incapable of believing anything other than they have found the Holy Grail. When the stats belie the reality, there is always a reason that has nothing to do with the efficacy of the stats.

In short, you don't understand.

NEW blog up fellas

swag

Are Kadri's point totals (lackthereof) a good thing because they hurt his contract negotiation leverage, so he can be paid as a 3C?

Are Kadri's point totals (lackthereof) a good thing because they hurt his contract negotiation leverage, so he can be paid as a 3C?
- 1979AD

yes

NEW blog up fellas


- Lucas.Neilson

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I can't stream it at work. I just saw comments on the gist of it.

Do you think there is something to it or is Poulin off base?

Related note...

I mentioned a while ago that Randy Robles from Elias Sports bureau felt that today's Advanced Stats were pretty useless (this was over a year ago). He also went on to say that they might even prove damaging to the game. I believe (can't remember for sure) that his point was the same thing mentioned here with Kadri.

As long as shots on/toward the goal is called "possession" or "driving possession", it's a potential problem. It could encourage exactly the opposite of retaining possession.
- Aetherial

can't say i agree with that. putting more pucks on net is a pretty good indicator that you have the puck more. and even if it's not, you're still doing more with it. i don't see how keeping the puck on your stick for long periods of time proves anything. in today's NHL is you have the puck on your stick for more than a few seconds, you're nowhere near the net.

can't say i agree with that. putting more pucks on net is a pretty good indicator that you have the puck more. and even if it's not, you're still doing more with it. i don't see how keeping the puck on your stick for long periods of time proves anything. in today's NHL is you have the puck on your stick for more than a few seconds, you're nowhere near the net.
- DoubleDown

At the same time, shooting the puck from anywhere and everywhere because you're down by 2 or 3 goals early in the game doesn't indicate that you played better than the opposing team.

Yeah, she still looks good for her age It may have come from liking the role she played in a movie I saw.
- Aetherial

Time after Time?

can't say i agree with that. putting more pucks on net is a pretty good indicator that you have the puck more. and even if it's not, you're still doing more with it. i don't see how keeping the puck on your stick for long periods of time proves anything. in today's NHL is you have the puck on your stick for more than a few seconds, you're nowhere near the net.
- DoubleDown

Jason Blake.

/DoubleDown's argument.

can't say i agree with that. putting more pucks on net is a pretty good indicator that you have the puck more. and even if it's not, you're still doing more with it. i don't see how keeping the puck on your stick for long periods of time proves anything. in today's NHL is you have the puck on your stick for more than a few seconds, you're nowhere near the net.
- DoubleDown

Over a large enough sample, there should be a correlation, yes.

The point is, if people start firing the puck at the net whenever they can, they will be inflating their advanced stats, yet not necessarily improving their actual possession or their chance to win.

I can't stream it at work. I just saw comments on the gist of it.

Do you think there is something to it or is Poulin off base?

Related note...

I mentioned a while ago that Randy Robles from Elias Sports bureau felt that today's Advanced Stats were pretty useless (this was over a year ago). He also went on to say that they might even prove damaging to the game. I believe (can't remember for sure) that his point was the same thing mentioned here with Kadri.

As long as shots on/toward the goal is called "possession" or "driving possession", it's a potential problem. It could encourage exactly the opposite of retaining possession.
- Aetherial

this is a dead horse...

There is a post on TLN with shot location details on Kadri..if you want to know

Over a large enough sample, there should be a correlation, yes.

The point is, if people start firing the puck at the net whenever they can, they will be inflating their advanced stats, yet not necessarily improving their actual possession or their chance to win.
- Aetherial

There is no such thing as quality of shot.

Time after Time?
- Atomic Wedgie

I think it was Dead of Winter, but it could be Life as a House or What's Eating Gilbert Grape.

There is no such think as quality of shot.
- burn

No, of course not

this is a dead horse...

There is a post on TLN with shot location details on Kadri..if you want to know
- senstroll

What I want is for you to weigh in on Poulin's assertion. Do you believe there is anything to it. Is or was Kadri purposely trying to inflate his stats?

I'm still waiting for a valid explanation as to why shot attempts are a better metric for possession than O-Zone time.
- 1979AD

the info is out here if you want to look it up.

has anyone ever posted the Bill Burr Philly rant video over in the Philly thread? Is that bannable? asking for a friend

What I want is for you to weigh in on Poulin's assertion. Do you believe there is anything to it. Is or was Kadri purposely trying to inflate his stats?
- Aetherial

I didn't read the article, but I think all Kadri is trying to do, is put up points, any way he can.

What I want is for you to weigh in on Poulin's assertion. Do you believe there is anything to it. Is or was Kadri purposely trying to inflate his stats?
- Aetherial

What did poulin say?