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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 8 @ 10:15 PM ET
Simmer is an awful shootout player by the eye, but he had a great year last year in it. His shooing percentage was like 33% it said. My mind says yuck, but he's had some success. Voracek isn't good at it either. With Gagner out, it's a shootout poop show. We should just be happy VDV didn't get a chance.
- Mononoke


Or Bellemare. I think a third shot directly into Halak's glove would have finally killed the damned thing
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 8 @ 10:16 PM ET
He was so far back to begin with he had no choice but to keep back pedaling. Wasn't the worst, and I could give him a pass if that wasn't his MO. It wasn't terrible in a vacuum. He is Ben Carson passive through the NZ. Horrid gap control. It's his biggest bugaboo. Back skates until he has to get caught in between and try to just block it.

He had a decent game otherwise, but that facet of his game will never change. And always be lacking. Your denial of THAT is the bias we all know and love. I'm happy he's back up for you. I really am.

- Mononoke



He had to sit back, it was 2 Isles on one, with the forward on that side going off for a line change. He has no choice. Your commentary on that play showed a clear bias against the player. It's basic hockey, a defenseman has to have support to stand up. Del Zotto backs in and allows Neilsen to shoot the puck, and a goal is scored. Schultz backed in and allowed easy entries on occasion. Gostisbehere and Manning got hemmed in after a poor turnover on shifts. Medvedev had a few turnovers. MacDonald played nearly 20 minutes against quality competition, with 38% O zone start percentage, and was a plus possession player. He made numerous quality plays in the game, including a nice poke check in the corner, winning a board battle against 3 islanders, and outletting the puck for a rush. Knocking Taveras off the puck and making a tape to tape pass to start a rush. He played a solid game.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 8 @ 10:17 PM ET
Simmer is an awful shootout player by the eye, but he had a great year last year in it. His shooing percentage was like 33% it said. My mind says yuck, but he's had some success. Voracek isn't good at it either. With Gagner out, it's a shootout poop show. We should just be happy VDV didn't get a chance.
- Mononoke


The only dangles the flyers have are NMCs come july
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Dec 8 @ 10:17 PM ET
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YmFZb4lM0ps

Pretty sure Medvedev was trying this...no issue with that choice

- Jsaquella


Leight.

D men don't get many opportunities on breakaways and shootouts. Probably his favorite move.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 8 @ 10:18 PM ET
I don't care what Voracek's success rate is in the shootout, I still give him a shot at it. Not sure I like going first at home.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Dec 8 @ 10:20 PM ET
He had to sit back, it was 2 Isles on one, with the forward on that side going off for a line change. He has no choice. Your commentary on that play showed a clear bias against the player. It's basic hockey, a defenseman has to have support to stand up. Del Zotto backs in and allows Neilsen to shoot the puck, and a goal is scored. Schultz backed in and allowed easy entries on occasion. Gostisbehere and Manning got hemmed in after a poor turnover on shifts. Medvedev had a few turnovers. MacDonald played nearly 20 minutes against quality competition, with 38% O zone start percentage, and was a plus possession player. He made numerous quality plays in the game, including a nice poke check in the corner, winning a board battle against 3 islanders, and outletting the puck for a rush. Knocking Taveras off the puck and making a tape to tape pass to start a rush. He played a solid game.
- MJL

Confirmation bias does not work both ways?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 8 @ 10:20 PM ET
Leight.

D men don't get many opportunities on breakaways and shootouts. Probably his favorite move.

- Mononoke


I think I would have changed the order, maybe use Giroux third. I would have liked to see Gostisbehere or Voracek, despite Jake's pedestrian shootout totalss
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Dec 8 @ 10:20 PM ET
He had to sit back, it was 2 Isles on one, with the forward on that side going off for a line change. He has no choice. Your commentary on that play showed a clear bias against the player. It's basic hockey, a defenseman has to have support to stand up. Del Zotto backs in and allows Neilsen to shoot the puck, and a goal is scored. Schultz backed in and allowed easy entries on occasion. Gostisbehere and Manning got hemmed in after a poor turnover on shifts. Medvedev had a few turnovers. MacDonald played nearly 20 minutes against quality competition, with 38% O zone start percentage, and was a plus possession player. He made numerous quality plays in the game, including a nice poke check in the corner, winning a board battle against 3 islanders, and outletting the puck for a rush. Knocking Taveras off the puck and making a tape to tape pass to start a rush. He played a solid game.
- MJL


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 8 @ 10:22 PM ET
The problem with using Giroux 3rd, is if the Isles score with their first two shooters, and you don't score with one, your best shooter never gets a chance.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 8 @ 10:24 PM ET
Watched the replay 4 times. You're wrong about the play, and wrong about MacDonald, in the game. The analysis you offered on that play, proves it.
- MJL


You should watch it again. You're missing something
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Dec 8 @ 10:24 PM ET
Confirmation bias does not work both ways?
- Mordecai

Because aside from the one okay play on Tavares and the marginally positive possession stats
, I didn't see anything close to what you saw. Just more of the same mediocre play like the rest of our D.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 8 @ 10:25 PM ET
You should watch it again. You're missing something
- PhillySportsGuy


Feel free to tell me what I'm missing.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 8 @ 10:26 PM ET
Because aside from the one okay play on Tavares and the marginally positive possession stats
, I didn't see anything close to what you saw. Just more of the same mediocre play like the rest of our D.

- Mordecai


The entire Flyers team today, played a solid game. If not for at least one save that Mason would normally make, if not two, the Flyers win the game outright. They were also very unlucky on a number of goalmouth scrambles. Also had a goal taken away, that could've gone either way.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 8 @ 10:27 PM ET
I think I would have changed the order, maybe use Giroux third. I would have liked to see Gostisbehere or Voracek, despite Jake's pedestrian shootout totalss
- Jsaquella


Can't use Giroux 3rd. He's your best. You want to guarantee you use him in every shootout.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Dec 8 @ 10:27 PM ET
Feel free to tell me what I'm missing.

- MJL

You are justifying a bad defenseman based on marginal possession numbers and 2 or 3 decent plays. Confirmation bias at its finest.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 8 @ 10:27 PM ET
Feel free to tell me what I'm missing.

- MJL


It's right there in front of you. Sometimes it's easier to see if you watch at the right angle
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Dec 8 @ 10:28 PM ET
The entire Flyers team today, played a solid game. If not for at least one save that Mason would normally make, if not two, the Flyers win the game outright. They were also very unlucky on a number of goalmouth scrambles. Also had a goal taken away, that could've gone either way.
- MJL

You're changing the subject
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Dec 8 @ 10:28 PM ET
Feel free to tell me what I'm missing.

- MJL






I regret posting anything about AMac. Let's talk about something else. How was your day today? What did you have for dinner? Why does Kylo Ren have your helmet?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 8 @ 10:28 PM ET
You are justifying a bad defenseman based on marginal possession numbers and 2 or 3 decent plays. Confirmation bias at its finest.
- Mordecai


You're not making any sense. I'm looking at the game.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Dec 8 @ 10:29 PM ET
The entire Flyers team today, played a solid game. If not for at least one save that Mason would normally make, if not two, the Flyers win the game outright. They were also very unlucky on a number of goalmouth scrambles. Also had a goal taken away, that could've gone either way.
- MJL

Playing up to the competition, per usual.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 8 @ 10:30 PM ET
Guys, they lost a shootout. A gimmick. It's irritating, but it's not like they haven't lost many of them before

There were some not great things tonight, but there were some good ones, too -- Isles are good, they had been playing well, Flyers showed a little resolve in getting the point

The Flyers are what we know them to be -- pretty much a .500 team right now. But they are showing signs of being the right kind of .500 team: One that will get better. Not one that is getting worse
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Dec 8 @ 10:31 PM ET
You're not making any sense. I'm looking at the game.
- MJL

Yeah I'm pretty wasted to be honest. Using the Internet as an outlet for my alcohol fuled sadness that the flyers lost
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 8 @ 10:32 PM ET
Guys, they lost a shootout. A gimmick. It's irritating, but it's not like they haven't lost many of them before

There were some not great things tonight, but there were some good ones, too -- Isles are good, they had been playing well, Flyers showed a little resolve in getting the point

The Flyers are what we know them to be -- pretty much a .500 team right now. But they are showing signs of being the right kind of .500 team: One that will get better. Not one that is getting worse

- AllInForFlyers


The Flyers for long stretches of the game, dominated the Isles. This team has shown time and again how well they can play. Unfortunately, they've also shown how poor they can play such as the losing streak, and the Columbus game. They need to find some consistency somehow.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Dec 8 @ 10:32 PM ET
I'll be curious to see who sits with Good Ass coming back. Have to think he will draw in.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 8 @ 10:33 PM ET
Guys, they lost a shootout. A gimmick. It's irritating, but it's not like they haven't lost many of them before

There were some not great things tonight, but there were some good ones, too -- Isles are good, they had been playing well, Flyers showed a little resolve in getting the point

The Flyers are what we know them to be -- pretty much a .500 team right now. But they are showing signs of being the right kind of .500 team: One that will get better. Not one that is getting worse

- AllInForFlyers

they're not a .500 team at 11-17
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