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Forums :: Blog World :: Michael Pachla: The pros and cons of Buffalo going after Edmonton's Jordan Eberle
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Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Dec 3 @ 1:21 PM ET

- dadeadhead

dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Dec 3 @ 1:22 PM ET
I didn't say he's a top line player. But he is a top 6 forward so if you're going to move the one top 6 RW you have you'd better have a plan to replace that.

I know he's far from perfect (tough start this year as well) but a top 6 guy at 4.6 mil is a pretty good thing to have.

- Sabresfan-365



Build down the middle to the backend.

Wingers are a dime a dozen and always work themselves out.

I'm not worried.
stashu
Buffalo Sabres
Location: SC
Joined: 06.04.2008

Dec 3 @ 1:22 PM ET
How is he "obviously injury prone"? The shoulder injury this year that caused him to miss 13 games was the first significant injury of his career except for an appendectomy in his rookie year, which is hardly fair to consider a hockey injury.

He played 69 regular season games as a rookie (appendectomy), 78 games in 2011/12 (34g 42a 76p), all 48 in the lockout year (16g 21a 37p), 80 in 2013/14 (putting up 28g 37a 65p) and 81 in 2014/15 (putting up 24g 39a 63p).

He's in the prime of his career right now and I'd argue his declining numbers the past few seasons have more to do with the fact that Edmonton as a whole was really, really bad the past few years.

- TheMaritimer


It was a joke....my way of mirroring what people were calling Lehner
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Dec 3 @ 1:22 PM ET
Just curious if you could explain your reasoning... Eberle's scored 60+ points in 3 out of his 4 full seasons in the league and has averaged 0.78 PPG across his career to date. Yakupov on the other hand hasn't broken more than 33 points in a single season and has averaged 0.46 PPG across his career. Eberle's had the advantage of playing with better players (mainly in RNH & Hall), but the argument can be made that Yakupov certainly has had multiple chances to earn a spot on the the top line and has repeatedly failed to do so.

I'm not bashing you at all, just curious as to why you think Yakupov is a better fit. There's quite a few people who are still pretty high on Yakupov, and I don't quite understand why after his largely disappointing career to date.

- TheMaritimer

You should...
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Dec 3 @ 1:24 PM ET

- Der Kaiser



Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Dec 3 @ 1:25 PM ET
Build down the middle to the backend.

Wingers are a dime a dozen and always work themselves out.

I'm not worried.

- dadeadhead



Yes, the lack of scoring from wingers has absolutely not been a problem. I definitely do not find myself tearing my hair out every time i see gionta on the ice at 3-on-3.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 3 @ 1:30 PM ET
Yes, the lack of scoring from wingers has absolutely not been a problem. I definitely do not find myself tearing my hair out every time i see gionta on the ice at 3-on-3.
- Sabresfan-365

He's kind of right though. Wingers are interchangeable.

Great players (centers) make players around them better.

Unless you are someone like Nash, Benn, Hossa Tarasenko etc, you can be replaced.

That being said, there is a difference between average, and Gionta
joshs
Buffalo Sabres
Location: cheektowaga, NY
Joined: 07.07.2012

Dec 3 @ 1:32 PM ET
Emmis hasn't been anything near a top line player thus far.
- dadeadhead


Hes great when we are having trouble breaking out. His speed opens the ice up. I dont mind keeping ennis as an xfactor. Bring back that line of moulson girgenson ennis. They seemed to be good for almost a goal a game.
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Dec 3 @ 1:33 PM ET
He's kind of right though. Wingers are interchangeable.

Great players (centers) make players around them better.

Unless you are someone like Nash, Benn, Hossa Tarasenko etc, you can be replaced.

That being said, there is a difference between average, and Gionta

- sbroads24



But that's my point. Im not saying they need to spend big on wingers, but you do need solid wingers.

If you move Ennis your best natural RW is who? That's not to say Ennis is untouchable but having a solid top 6 winger at that cap hit is very desirable.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Dec 3 @ 1:34 PM ET
Build down the middle to the backend.

Wingers are a dime a dozen and always work themselves out.

I'm not worried.

- dadeadhead

homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Dec 3 @ 1:37 PM ET
the plan should be to build down the middle and back end

sabres have the centers
now they need a top flight d man to play with risto and let bogo anchor the second line

maybe that is where they go with the next trade
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Dec 3 @ 1:37 PM ET
He's kind of right though. Wingers are interchangeable.

Great players (centers) make players around them better.

Unless you are someone like Nash, Benn, Hossa Tarasenko etc, you can be replaced.

That being said, there is a difference between average, and Gionta

- sbroads24



Gionta is what he is at this stage.

A 3rd liner at best but because he's el capitan he gets special icetime.
CaptainRivet
Buffalo Sabres
Location: on Bored, NY
Joined: 12.26.2008

Dec 3 @ 1:39 PM ET
McCabe has been better than Pysyk
- sbroads24

Sabres DOMINATE posession when Pysyk is on the ice. McCabe's played well but I highly disagree he's been "better".

That being said, I'd rather keep both than have Eberle. I've actually been very happy with the defense this year.
BuffaloHardHat
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity., NY
Joined: 11.27.2012

Dec 3 @ 1:39 PM ET
yeah, I know...however, guhle's performance at training camp kinda changed things for me...he looked as if he was ready to play in the nhl this year...Florentino should hit Rochester next season and 19 yr. old Brycen martin is having a big season with Everett in the whl...
- Michael Pachla

This is an excellent point.
yen6d1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: maxim Afinogenov, NY
Joined: 02.21.2011

Dec 3 @ 1:41 PM ET
He's kind of right though. Wingers are interchangeable.

Great players (centers) make players around them better.

Unless you are someone like Nash, Benn, Hossa Tarasenko etc, you can be replaced.

That being said, there is a difference between average, and Gionta

- sbroads24

Agree on every point.

Also regarding Gio its not that h's on Eichels line that bothers me as much as we have
36 almost 37 year on winger thats no producing playing 10 more minutes a game than engery players like Mcginn, Moose, Larsson.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Dec 3 @ 1:43 PM ET
But that's my point. Im not saying they need to spend big on wingers, but you do need solid wingers.

If you move Ennis your best natural RW is who? That's not to say Ennis is untouchable but having a solid top 6 winger at that cap hit is very desirable.

- Sabresfan-365


I wonder what Ennis's injury is and how long he was trying to play through it. While his play at the beginning of the year wasn't great, he had started to look better. Then he missed a game or two, came back and looked like he didn't know what the hell was going on out there.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 3 @ 1:44 PM ET

- CaptainRivet

He has been.

Positive possession #s, more points, more shots, playing against better competition.

You must be in the Matthew Coller "Pysyk has been brilliant" club
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Dec 3 @ 1:44 PM ET
Agree on every point.

Also regarding Gio its not that h's on Eichels line that bothers me as much as we have
36 almost 37 year on winger thats no producing playing 10 more minutes a game than engery players like Mcginn, Moose, Larsson.

- yen6d1


I must have missed something somewhere. Who is Moose??
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Dec 3 @ 1:46 PM ET
I must have missed something somewhere. Who is Moose??
- HonkFortheGoose

Deslauriers?
CaptainRivet
Buffalo Sabres
Location: on Bored, NY
Joined: 12.26.2008

Dec 3 @ 1:47 PM ET
He has been.

Positive possession #s, more points, more shots, playing against better competition.

You must be in the Matthew Coller "Pysyk has been brilliant" club

- sbroads24

I'd take Pysyk over McCabe, yes. I got rid of the laughs because I realized it would come off the wrong way.

Once again, I'd rather keep both unless there's a better RW than Eberle.
SabresPanacea
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 08.16.2014

Dec 3 @ 1:48 PM ET
I wonder what Ennis's injury is and how long he was trying to play through it. While his play at the beginning of the year wasn't great, he had started to look better. Then he missed a game or two, came back and looked like he didn't know what the hell was going on out there.
- HonkFortheGoose

I think it's a strained fallopian tube.
stashu
Buffalo Sabres
Location: SC
Joined: 06.04.2008

Dec 3 @ 1:48 PM ET
I must have missed something somewhere. Who is Moose??
- HonkFortheGoose


"Anyone else confused by that one??"

homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Dec 3 @ 1:48 PM ET
Sabres DOMINATE posession when Pysyk is on the ice. McCabe's played well but I highly disagree he's been "better".

That being said, I'd rather keep both than have Eberle. I've actually been very happy with the defense this year.

- CaptainRivet

risto-blank
bogo-gorges
pysyk-mccabe


move ennis, anyone up front not named skunk, eichel, ror, kane and girgens, picks/prospects and crap for that blank
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Dec 3 @ 1:48 PM ET
the plan should be to build down the middle and back end

sabres have the centers
now they need a top flight d man to play with risto and let bogo anchor the second line

maybe that is where they go with the next trade

- homiedclown



https://youtu.be/kWFehaQEMYI
yen6d1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: maxim Afinogenov, NY
Joined: 02.21.2011

Dec 3 @ 1:49 PM ET
I must have missed something somewhere. Who is Moose??
- HonkFortheGoose

Foligno, Used to play at the rink where the amerks practiced and thats what everyone called him
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