more like inside info from Ek.....
- Ur Not Me

One of the more ridiculous deals ive seen on this site which says a lot. Johansen is not Malkin.

OMG they all do, they think he's the 2nd coming of Coffey .... U know a high 1st rd pick automatically excels you to stardom....
- Ur Not Me

Obviously is more valuable right now than Nurse. But what Nurse has the potential to become for EDM is so important for them that he might as well be made of gold.

This is exactly the point I was making earlier about Hamonic's value to NYI. He obviously is no Doughty or Karlsson, but what he provides for the Isles is so important that he might as well be worth almost as much as those guys to Garth Snow. Essentially the same problem for both teams but EDM will most likely be in a better position within the next few years with Nurse due to him hopefully not asking to traded.

How do you know? For all you know there could be a bidding war going on right now and his price could have been driven up. You know just as much as any of us do which is nothing. You're doing a lot of assuming.
- Cptmjl

That statement you made is all assumption. What we do know is the trade demand, and it is a demand was made in the summer and nothing has been been made. If there was a bidding war we would have much more info than what we have today which is... Wait for it....*crickets*

to the oilers, for his potential, of course he is. without a doubt.
this isn't suggesting hamonic isn't a really good player. but instead nurses potential outstrips where hamonic is.

the kids already playing great ten games in.

but don't bother trying to sell what youre attempting to.
its not black and white - hamonic is worth more because hes currently the better player.
nurse is 20 and just starting his career.
- Ihateallofu

Yeah you kinda nailed my point. Completely agree that it isn't black or white. Wasn't trying to be a Richard.

This time.

Obviously is more valuable right now than Nurse. But what Nurse has the potential to become for EDM is so important for them that he might as well be made of gold.

This is exactly the point I was making earlier about Hamonic's value to NYI. He obviously is no Doughty or Karlsson, but what he provides for the Isles is so important that he might as well be worth almost as much as those guys to Garth Snow. Essentially the same problem for both teams but EDM will most likely be in a better position within the next few years with Nurse due to him hopefully not asking to traded.
- Mordecai

Unless someone has a crystal ball, sorry but you cant predict what Nurse can be bc some players have not panned out to there supposed potential, that's a fact...

Unless someone has a crystal ball, sorry but you cant predict what Nurse can be bc some players have not panned out to there supposed potential, that's a fact...
- Ur Not Me

Nurse has been one of the most highly touted prospects on defense for a few years now and has had a very solid start to his professional career. I think in this case it's not so bad to assume that he is going to be pretty damn good barring any freak accidents.

What are your expectations for Ryan Pulock?

That statement you made is all assumption. What we do know is the trade demand, and it is a demand was made in the summer and nothing has been been made. If there was a bidding war we would have much more info than what we have today which is... Wait for it....*crickets*
- JETSWIN

If there were a bidding war why would we have more info? Do they discuss such things openly with the press normally does it somehow become more public or do they televise it? Makes no sense.


My point is you like me and just about everyone else knows little to nothing about what's going on so stop making pretend you do. You didnt even know why he asked for a trade in the beginning of this thread now all of a sudden you have a firm grip on the entire situation.

Nurse has been one of the most highly touted prospects on defense for a few years now and has had a very solid start to his professional career. I think in this case it's not so bad to assume that he is going to be pretty damn good barring any freak accidents.

What are your expectations for Ryan Pulock?
- Mordecai

Im hoping for a 2/3 offensive minded defenseman that can clean up his own end.

Nurse has been one of the most highly touted prospects on defense for a few years now and has had a very solid start to his professional career. I think in this case it's not so bad to assume that he is going to be pretty damn good barring any freak accidents.
- Mordecai

Same was said for Myers, Johnson, Bogosian, etc..... just saying
My point is that these players haven't become what was envisioned by most professional people.

Yeah you kinda nailed my point. Completely agree that it isn't black or white. Wasn't trying to be a Richard.

This time.
- Mordecai

no stress.

the oilers are so bad and we take so much abuse (often rightly so)- my guns tend to come out abit quick....


however, I would like to kinda disagree with an earlier point.
although u were trying to make a reference to how highly hamonics value is to ny, it doesn't really matter cause hes asked to be traded. so now a realistic deal has to be put into place.

they don't want to trade him at all and as u suggested value him so much that any deal that would make them happy probably appears ludicrous. and that's fine.
but now it seems they kinda have to trade him (at some point) and imo, his real value probably doesnt match how they value him.

kinda like what u said about nurse. for the oilers, hes made of gold. and we probably wouldnt trade him for anything less than an established superstar two way defender. (nurse + for hedman, oel etc) which of course isnt happening from their side.
but if he asked to be traded, our value would obviously have to come back to earth because as mentioned-those trades for oel aint gonna happen

Nurse has been one of the most highly touted prospects on defense for a few years now and has had a very solid start to his professional career. I think in this case it's not so bad to assume that he is going to be pretty damn good barring any freak accidents.

What are your expectations for Ryan Pulock?
- Mordecai

Not sure yet.. But what's expected is a top 4 dman with a bomb of a shot and likes to hit bc he's built like a tank....

Nurse has been one of the most highly touted prospects on defense for a few years now and has had a very solid start to his professional career. I think in this case it's not so bad to assume that he is going to be pretty damn good barring any freak accidents.

What are your expectations for Ryan Pulock?
- Mordecai

this

the kid has all the tools. and a mean streak too. something the oilers need.

but no doubt what they've said- hes no guarantee. i can agree with that.
but from what ive seen over the last few years-id be very surprised if he didn't turn out to be very very good.
hes already solid actually. ten games in

If there were a bidding war why would we have more info? Do they discuss such things openly with the press normally does it somehow become more public or do they televise it? Makes no sense.


My point is you like me and just about everyone else knows little to nothing about what's going on so stop making pretend you do. You didnt even know why he asked for a trade in the beginning of this thread now all of a sudden you have a firm grip on the entire situation.
- Cptmjl

So if there was a bidding war real insiders like bob Mackenzie or Elliott Friedman would be left in the dark? I don't think so...plus if trouba was on the table, this deal would be done. Obviously he's not so here we are waiting.

no stress.

the oilers are so bad we take so much abuse (often rightly so)- my guns come tend to come out abit quick....


however, I would like to kinda disagree with an earlier point.
although u were trying to make a reference to how highly hamonics value is to ny, it doesn't really matter cause hes asked to be traded. so now a realistic deal has to be into place.
they don't want to trade him at all and as u suggested value him so much that any deal that would make thyem happy might appear ludicrous.
but now it seems they have to trade him (at some point) and imo, his real value probably doesnt match how they value him.

kind alike what u said about nurse. for the oilers, hes made of gold. and we probably would trade him for anything less than an established superstar defender. (nurse + for hedman, oel etc) which of cours eisnt happening.
but he asked to be traded, our value would obviously have to come back to earth because as mentioned-those trades for oel aint gonn happen
- Ihateallofu

Yeah i see what you mean there. It's a weird situation all the way around. I can't remember the last time an established player(let alone top 3/4dman) playing on a good squad had asked for a trade. I honestly don't think the value will be affected too drastically unless this drags on into next oct/Nov. Definitely will take a hit but this is the kind of player every team in the league wants/needs on their blue line. As long as Isles get a top 4 dman back it will at least be a wash and they can focus on developing Pulock.

So if there was a bidding war real insiders like bob Mackenzie or Elliott Friedman would be left in the dark? I don't think so...plus if trouba was on the table, this deal would be done. Obviously he's not so here we are waiting.
- JETSWIN

How much is Trouba going to cost you guys to resign?

He is RFA next year right?

anyone else think its time to dust off the bingo boards?

idk why the jackets would even move R.J. unless they do a deal like the nash trade and get a lot of pieces back it makes no sense.

How much is Trouba going to cost you guys to resign?

He is RFA next year right?
- Mordecai

Yes RFA being the key point... He'll sign but who knows for what. If a team throws an offer sheet the Jets will match....

Yeah i see what you mean there. It's a weird situation all the way around. I can't remember the last time an established player(let alone top 3/4dman) playing on a good squad had asked for a trade. I honestly don't think the value will be affected too drastically unless this drags on into next oct/Nov. Definitely will take a hit but this is the kind of player every team in the league wants/needs on their blue line. As long as Isles get a top 4 dman back it will at least be a wash and they can focus on developing Pulock.
- Mordecai

no argument there.

I want the oilers to acquire him. hed help us immediately.
but it doesn't appear that the assets we can afford to trade are what they want.

still sorta hopin on a 3 way deal. as far fetched as it may be

stop charging me for this horse poop ek. take me out of your pockets please i've suffered enough

Yes RFA being the key point... He'll sign but who knows for what. If a team throws an offer sheet the Jets will match....
- JETSWIN

an average first 20 games to the season doesn't change anything about trouba. one of the best young defenders out there with potential though the roof

I agree with you that if trouba was on the table- the deal is done yesterday

Yes RFA being the key point... He'll sign but who knows for what. If a team throws an offer sheet the Jets will match....
- JETSWIN

Hopefully the flyers will be throwing that offer sheet your way Trouba or your next 2-4 years of 1st's either would be a v welcomed addition

an average first 20 games to the season doesn't change anything about trouba. one of the best young defenders out there with potential though the roof

I agree with you that if trouba was on the table- the deal is done yesterday
- Ihateallofu

Considering butch goring came on WPG radio and said the islanders wanted trouba..... I'd say so.

Considering butch goring came on WPG radio and said the islanders wanted trouba..... I'd say so.
- JETSWIN

I didn't even know that much. I was just going on troubas skills and potential alone.

the isles jump at trouba.
Imo, i cant see too many scenarios where they don't see myers as a reasonable return either.

This makes no sense. Why would cb move their best player then trade the parts for spare parts...just sayin

Too much to give up for the Islanders.