Winning games is all that matters. Goal differential is the objective. I think you missed my point however. By under performing, I'm talking about defensive responsibilities. Ironically, we're talking about 2 players that have two-way utilization. I'm not the least bit concerned w/ individual production (pts) and/or accolades. The '09 Pens were the last team to win the Cup w/ an Art Ross winner. Its not a prerequisite for post season success. And with how the game is being played today, I'd rather have Kopitar, Bergeron, Toews type players anyways. Enter HCMJ's on-ice tactics (200ft). Winning games 6-2 in Oct/Nov/Dec does nothing to help a team (mentally) prepare for Apr-Jun (where every game is decided by 1 goal margin).
Back to #58 and #87. You realize they've been on the ice for a majority of goals against? No Pens fan should be okay w/ these numbers (especially #58 - ridiculously insane)!
#58 All - 52% 5v5 - 57%
#87 All - 43% 5v5 - 54%
That is under-performing. What makes it even worse, is that they receive favorable OZ starts. Add-in the delta for any possession proxy of your choice, and one can deduce from it losing puck battles, turnovers, one-shot and done scenarios, etc... w/ the opposing team (and puck) going right back down in front of #29. These guys need to be better away from the puck/ make improvements to their positioning + coverage assignments. And fix their non-existent transition game. Offense from defense...
#58 is struggling (under statement) and needs his ice-time cut. #87 needs to realize this team's weakness is on D and that reality will force him (and others) to play more responsible (200ft) and execute better puck management decisions. At the end of the day, team results are the additive contributions from the individual parts.
- out_of_market
I assume that your 5v5 % stats are regular possession %, which are based on shots, (correct me if im wrong).
But our system is defensively based in that they want to allow low chance shots from the outside, which lowers their possession stats.
And the one shot and done situation, d-man don't pinch down on offensive blue line, they skate back to the d blue line. because of the system and the forwards basically do the same thing, turn around and skate backwards. we have a pitiful forecheck. This allows the other them to break out with no neutral zone pressure almost every play. Then enter our zone easily yielding more shots. When the pens finally control the puck. They coral it behind the net for 10 seconds. Always allowing the other team to set up forecheck and neutral zone pressure. And when they attempt to break out from there, its like some weird, carry to the blue line, drop the puck back and have 3 players stagnite at the o blueline. At this point all 10 players are the neutral zone. you cant pass, cant skate, and your only option is to dump/chip and chase. All it is, is a prevent defense. Defensively responsible players are wonderful, but not at the cost of absolving all forwards of offensive responsibility.
Yea its nice to be accustomed to low scoring games to prepare for the playoffs. But in the playoffs you only play teams with winning records(for the most part) with multiple nights and games to prepare for teams. We play a predictable style with the wrong type of players for that style. Throw out possession stats, Corsi's and Fenwick's all you want, but entire team is underperforming. And there is one person to blame.