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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 22 @ 1:31 PM ET
We'll finish dead last and pick 4th. Just you wait and see.
- hereticpride

if that happens we burn down the NHL
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Nov 22 @ 1:32 PM ET
Increasing the size of the nets would be a great start. But maybe the "right" answer might be the hardest to implement. The players have gotten so much bigger...maybe the size of the playing surface needs to increase as well.

The loss of revenue from losing some seats wouldn't be ideal...but eventually revenue will decline further if the game continues to lose fans to boredom.

- TheGreat28



I'm against larger nets but I think goalie equipment needs to be reduced. and while I don't want the interference/holding called the way it was right out of the lockout, I do think the NHL is allowing too much.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 22 @ 1:32 PM ET
There is zero in that statement that alludes to Hakstol seeming like he finds that acceptable. What are you talking about?
- MJL


It's like a poster in here getting put on their heels by one of your patented responses. I guess some just aren't cut out for HB you know? Move on to Twitter bro!
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 22 @ 1:35 PM ET
man if the eagles lose to tampa....
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 22 @ 1:43 PM ET
It's like a poster in here getting put on their heels by one of your patented responses. I guess some just aren't cut out for HB you know? Move on to Twitter bro!
- Just5


This also makes zero sense, and what does it have to do with your earlier point or Hakstol's comments?
jmdodgeser4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.26.2009

Nov 22 @ 1:53 PM ET
How about moving coots from 2c and putting him at 3c. Put b schenn there. Remove jake from 1st and move him to 2 and simmonds to one.

So....
Read g simmonds
Gagner b schenn jake
Doesn't matter coots who cares
Whomever
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 22 @ 1:55 PM ET
How about moving coots from 2c and putting him at 3c. Put b schenn there. Remove jake from 1st and move him to 2 and simmonds to one.

So....
Read g simmonds
Gagner b schenn jake
Doesn't matter coots who cares
Whomever

- jmdodgeser4


I like moving Coots to three C. The other moving parts cut don't cut it right now.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 22 @ 1:58 PM ET
How about moving coots from 2c and putting him at 3c. Put b schenn there. Remove jake from 1st and move him to 2 and simmonds to one.

So....
Read g simmonds
Gagner b schenn jake
Doesn't matter coots who cares
Whomever

- jmdodgeser4


Why does it not matter who Couturier plays with?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 22 @ 1:58 PM ET
man if the eagles lose to tampa....
- 2Real

Embrace the tank
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 22 @ 1:59 PM ET
I like moving Coots to three C. The other moving parts cut don't cut it right now.
- hereticpride


Move Couturier to any line and place any number you want next to him. He's still going to get 2nd line minutes, and play high minutes at ES.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Nov 22 @ 2:01 PM ET
I'm against larger nets but I think goalie equipment needs to be reduced. and while I don't want the interference/holding called the way it was right out of the lockout, I do think the NHL is allowing too much.
- nastyflyergirl

Great point. The 1st couple of seasons after the lockout in the 'New NHL' penalties were being called for almost nothing which ended up creating a generation of players 'trying' to get penalties called by diving and overreacting. The rate at which penalties are called now are a bit too relaxed now though.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Nov 22 @ 2:03 PM ET
http://www.barstoolsports...alk-it-out-15-years-later
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 22 @ 2:06 PM ET
Very good point. A couple of weeks ago I questioned whether the players feel stifled playing in a defensive-first system. No one really jumped on that, and MJL countered that he doesn't view Hak's system as defensive.

I still maintain it's a valid point. Both Berube's system and Hak's system are similar, and these players haven't played particularly well in either. The team was much more dynamic under Laviolette. Other teams have a more dynamic offense.

So yes, the Flyers lack the general talent of those teams. But maybe the system isn't getting the most out of the talent we have either.

- TheGreat28


Damn (frank)ing right. All day long.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 22 @ 2:10 PM ET
Damn (frank)ing right. All day long.
- flyer_nutter


What specific system changes would you make? What specifically about Hakstol's system don't you like. What forecheck scheme would you like to see them play? What do you think about Hakstol's neutral zone checking scheme?
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 22 @ 2:16 PM ET
What specific system changes would you make? What specifically about Hakstol's system don't you like. What forecheck scheme would you like to see them play? What do you think about Hakstol's neutral zone checking scheme?
- MJL




Sir. We aren't going down this road as we are a ways apart. I dont like their D first approach and haven't since they brought in Berube.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 22 @ 2:18 PM ET
What specific system changes would you make? What specifically about Hakstol's system don't you like. What forecheck scheme would you like to see them play? What do you think about Hakstol's neutral zone checking scheme?
- MJL


The one with more offense
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 22 @ 2:25 PM ET
Move Couturier to any line and place any number you want next to him. He's still going to get 2nd line minutes, and play high minutes at ES.
- MJL

Not with what I want to to see done with this roster in the next year...
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 22 @ 2:32 PM ET
man the eagles (frank)ing suck this chip kelly poop needs to end
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Nov 22 @ 2:33 PM ET
Great point. The 1st couple of seasons after the lockout in the 'New NHL' penalties were being called for almost nothing which ended up creating a generation of players 'trying' to get penalties called by diving and overreacting. The rate at which penalties are called now are a bit too relaxed now though.
- Pixote Andolini



I understand Dmen were getting killed because guys coming in on the forecheck couldn't be held up but I think its back to being allowed too much.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 22 @ 2:33 PM ET
http://www.barstoolsports.com/philadelphia/tie-domi-and-flyers-fan-from-the-penalty-box-incident-get-a-chance-to-talk-it-out-15-years-later
- Pixote Andolini

That's nice but the author is nuts if he thinks Ari would even consider moving Max Domi. He's the first legit looking star forward that team has had in a decade.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Nov 22 @ 2:34 PM ET
Not with what I want to to see done with this roster in the next year...
- hereticpride



he is going to get major minutes because he is always played against the oppositions top line
DaveofYork
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: york, PA
Joined: 10.27.2014

Nov 22 @ 2:34 PM ET
man the eagles (frank)ing suck this chip kelly poop needs to end
- 2Real

Eagles are set up for a big turkey day
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 22 @ 2:38 PM ET
suckchez
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 22 @ 2:45 PM ET
he is going to get major minutes because he is always played against the oppositions top line
- nastyflyergirl

He can still do that and not be considered the 2nd scoring line.

Look, the goals for average speaks for itself. I'm not solely pinning that on Coots but they do need to fully re-assess the lines top to bottom. I see Coots working best in a defensive role, regardless of how many minutes you give him. I'd like to see a 2C brought in that can really bring the offense and allow Coots to dominate in a defense first role. I think that move is paramount to this team moving forward.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Nov 22 @ 2:55 PM ET
Good luck HAckStol getting another NHL job,flyers setting new all time worst franchise records
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