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The Schultz call, the Thornton trip, and the Simmonds trip were all terrible calls.
- jmatchett383

Exactly the 3 I thought

The Schultz call, the Thornton trip, and the Simmonds trip were all terrible calls.
- jmatchett383

I saw only the one replay, but didn't Simmonds slash the guy's hands hard first and immediately follow with a second slash which was called a trip. So he got away with a hard slash and then doubles down. I could see why that one was called.

I saw only the one replay, but didn't Simmonds slash the guy's hands hard first and immediately follow with a second slash which was called a trip. So he got away with a hard slash and then doubles down. I could see why that one was called.
- bodiva88

He slashed the guy's stick for sure, and they could have called that. But the guy just basically fell down and they called Simmonds for the trip. They called the penalty (after a delay) but for the wrong reason.

And the opposition knows this, last night Manning had to take the shot as they closed the lane back to him a few times.
He's underrated defensively, I thought he played very well in the defensive zone.
I know it's only been 3 games, but I'd like to see his minutes increase slowly, and Gudas's decrease.
Unrelated topic, Luke is playing very well, very smart.
- puckhead17

I agree that he is playing well. I actually thought last night was one of his poorer games though. I didn't notice him out of position many times per say, but he thought he struggled handling the puck.

Or keep 1/2 the numbers & ask to be Garry Galley instead.
- puckhead17

Desjardins in his prime with the Flyers was one of the top defenseman in all of hockey, and was a bona fide #1.
Gostisbehere has certainly added some qualities to the lineup, as well as some excitement. The future looks great with him. In the LA game, he and his linemates got pretty handedly outplayed at ES. That's certainly not all on Gostisbehere
- MJL

Ghost and his mates got pinned on a few shifts but over all he had a very good game against LA.

They knew acquiring him would give them the stability they needed, not so much as his rep as a proven #1, and he did just that.
Maybe sometimes there's too much emphasis on grading a defenseman, (#1 2 3), but what they can provide to your teams stability.
- puckhead17

Yeah, I guess the modern equivalent of that trade would be something like Giroux for Hamonic and Brock Nelson. Hamonic is good, and Nelson could go on to be a beast... but it's not exactly guaranteed. Meanwhile, you're giving up one of the top point-getters in the league.

Desjardins in his prime with the Flyers was one of the top defenseman in all of hockey, and was a bona fide #1.
Gostisbehere has certainly added some qualities to the lineup, as well as some excitement. The future looks great with him. In the LA game, he and his linemates got pretty handedly outplayed at ES. That's certainly not all on Gostisbehere
- MJL

how can you say that based on what 5 nhl games

Flyers are playing better as a team lately. Hopefully it begins to translate into more goals and some wins. I think Gostisbehere adds a playmaking element to the Flyers, and he seems to be able to hold his own defensively, and limit mistakes. Flyers lack playmakers and finishers. He is that, and he's a real strong skater and he upgrades the Flyers speed. I'd like to see the Flyers change matchups and play him more with the Giroux line.
- MJL

All this is very true.

I agree that he is playing well. I actually thought last night was one of his poorer games though. I didn't notice him out of position many times per say, but he thought he struggled handling the puck.
- YuenglingJagr

Luke?
He saved that open netter in the first minute, played very physical when the opportunity presented itself, (unlike Radko).

He seems to be limiting his mistakes each game, he's been very steady moving the puck out as well.

how can you say that based on what 5 nhl games
- rinaldo

You can say it doesn't look great for him? Talent doesn't hide.

You can say it doesn't look great for him? Talent doesn't hide.
- landros 2

it is 5 games...let it play out. yeah he has talent. so have many others and failed. see how he looks after teams get a look at him. not going to anoint him a future star just yet

The Schultz call, the Thornton trip, and the Simmonds trip were all terrible calls.
- jmatchett383

Simmonds drilled from behind is what set Simmonds off...another missed call.

Yeah, I guess the modern equivalent of that trade would be something like Giroux for Hamonic and Brock Nelson. Hamonic is good, and Nelson could go on to be a beast... but it's not exactly guaranteed. Meanwhile, you're giving up one of the top point-getters in the league.
- Tomahawk

I wonder if Hamonic ends up in Colorado. They apparently have direct flights to Winnipeg, where his family is.

Yep, today is every bit as amazing as it projected to be

I have a serious question, though, for anyone who can answer, and I promise I am not being an ass about it because I have racked my mind and come up blank:

Can anybody name a trade of the like that is being described, where a struggling club trades an in-prime, Top 10-15 player, at Giroux's age, because of what they might get that would be aligned with two or three years down the line?

I can't think of one off the top of my head, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Just trying to see what examples those who want to move Giroux are drawing from, or if they are wanting the Flyers to boldly go where no franchise has gone
- AllInForFlyers

It's very rare to see any top line center traded in his prime.
Chicago did it with Denis Savard, but that was to acquire Chris Chelios, so basically they flipped a #1 C for a #1 D.
Of course, Boston did it with Thornton
And I guess you could also use the Gretzky deal as an example, although Wayne was starting to slow down just a bit by then and the deal was mainly about $$

Honestly, unless they land the #1 pick in this year's draft and a team like Nashville wants to flip Weber for Giroux, or St. Louis wants to swap Pietrangelo for him, I really can't see any scenario in which Giroux gets traded in the near future.

Yeah, I guess the modern equivalent of that trade would be something like Giroux for Hamonic and Brock Nelson. Hamonic is good, and Nelson could go on to be a beast... but it's not exactly guaranteed. Meanwhile, you're giving up one of the top point-getters in the league.
- Tomahawk

Good modern day comparison.
Don't forget to throw in Gilbert Dionne, (Cizikas?).

Or keep 1/2 the numbers & ask to be Garry Galley instead.
- puckhead17

Would 1/4 get him Petr Svoboda?

He slashed the guy's stick for sure, and they could have called that. But the guy just basically fell down and they called Simmonds for the trip. They called the penalty (after a delay) but for the wrong reason.
- jmatchett383

I personally thought Simmonds was just being hard on the puck, on the backcheck. It seems as if you're coming from behind the player, you can't do the same thing if you're ahead or in front of the player. Since when is stick on stick defense not a legal play?

it is 5 games...let it play out. yeah he has talent. so have many others and failed. see how he looks after teams get a look at him. not going to anoint him a future star just yet
- rinaldo

Anoint....no not after 5 games, but the he appears to have a heart to match that talent...that's rare. I'm very excited, then again I was excited at his play in preseason....he deserved to make this team hands down out of training camp.

If the Flyers would have scored in regulation, they would have won that game.
- Streit2ThePoint

i'm so proud of you right now

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- bodiva88

Would 1/4 get him Petr Svoboda?
- BiggE

Greg Hawgood.

I saw only the one replay, but didn't Simmonds slash the guy's hands hard first and immediately follow with a second slash which was called a trip. So he got away with a hard slash and then doubles down. I could see why that one was called.
- bodiva88

Yup, I had no prob with the Simmonds call once I saw the replay. The Schultz call though, especially at that point in the game, was just ridiculous.

I agree on Desjardins, but for even the fan that grades him a 1 or a 2, or whatever, he was acquired to stabilize a weak back line, and became the 2nd best D man we've ever had.
LA can outplay many with size, & strength, that's there MO. But last night they hemmed the Sharks in often, when's the last time they were able to that?
Granted San Jose played soccer on ice, collapsing everyone around Jones, but they did establish a forecheck.
- puckhead17

Howe or Pronger?