Well that analogy refers to the team surrounding Giroux, and is not about how good of a player that Giroux is. Giroux is the Ferrari.
- MJL

yea...

what does it matter if you eat half of it... i thought we are hell bent on keeping players in the juniors/minors to ferment 4-5 years... way i see it ok fine then let's put the best ingredients in that slow cooker, not let part of the meal spoil while we wait. yea briere dropped off as did a lot of players, imo its a bigger risk hoping giroux won't then drafting high and maybe getting another pick or promising prospect. the odds swing back in your favor with younger options than older
- JoeRussomanno

4 million dollars in dead money for 7 years? Great idea....NEXT

I do think Hextall will make a trade in 2015 because he really seemed to believe his pre-season proclamation that this was a playoff team. And he's not going to fire the coach he just hired.

Simmonds would probably offer the best return without losing players Hextall considers core pieces. Teams like Montreal would love to add a guy like him.

So sick of hearing how well they played and deserved a better fate. Bottom line is they lost, they stink. Is this what us Philly fans are accepting now? Effort but lose? Everyone on this team should be available for trade...especially Giroux! So overrated!
- Williamc5468

You forgot the complaint that the Kings won 2 cups because of Carter & Richards.

Why would I spend time refuting a pointless argument? You have already proved you are clueless
- YuenglingJagr

ok sure...again good comeback...what's pointless trading claude? so do you disagree that good gm's can make deal like Giroux happen? do you disagree that st Louis or Nashville would rather have Giroux now then at the draft? your a chump

what does it matter if you eat half of it... i thought we are hell bent on keeping players in the juniors/minors to ferment 4-5 years... way i see it ok fine then let's put the best ingredients in that slow cooker, not let part of the meal spoil while we wait. yea briere dropped off as did a lot of players, imo its a bigger risk hoping giroux won't then drafting high and maybe getting another pick or promising prospect. the odds swing back in your favor with younger options than older
- JoeRussomanno

Cmon Joe let's be somewhat rational. Flyers should trade a top player in the league and eat 4 mil in salary?

Yep, today is every bit as amazing as it projected to be

I have a serious question, though, for anyone who can answer, and I promise I am not being an ass about it because I have racked my mind and come up blank:

Can anybody name a trade of the like that is being described, where a struggling club trades an in-prime, Top 10-15 player, at Giroux's age, because of what they might get that would be aligned with two or three years down the line?

I can't think of one off the top of my head, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Just trying to see what examples those who want to move Giroux are drawing from, or if they are wanting the Flyers to boldly go where no franchise has gone

Yep, today is every bit as amazing as it projected to be

I have a serious question, though, for anyone who can answer, and I promise I am not being an ass about it because I have racked my mind and come up blank:

Can anybody name a trade of the like that is being described, where a struggling club trades an in-prime, Top 10-15 player, at Giroux's age, because of what they might get that would be aligned with two or three years down the line?

I can't think of one off the top of my head, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Just trying to see what examples those who want to move Giroux are drawing from, or if they are wanting the Flyers to boldly go where no franchise has gone
- AllInForFlyers

Closest in age/production/impact that I can remember would be Joe Thorton....and everyone remembers who the Bruins got back in that trade

Can anybody name a trade of the like that is being described, where a struggling club trades an in-prime, Top 10-15 player, at Giroux's age, because of what they might get that would be aligned with two or three years down the line?
- AllInForFlyers

Recchi?

LeClair was a real unknown quantity. And Desjardins had never anchored a blueline himself.

I do think Hextall will make a trade in 2015 because he really seemed to believe his pre-season proclamation that this was a playoff team. And he's not going to fire the coach he just hired.

Simmonds would probably offer the best return without losing players Hextall considers core pieces. Teams like Montreal would love to add a guy like him.
- Feanor

Hakstol was given a 5 year deal. No way he goes before Year 3, IMO.

Unless they get an offer that knocks their socks off (unlikely in a salary capped world; this ain't 1993), I don't think Giroux or Voracek go anywhere either.

I think Matt Read, BSchenn, and Wayne Simmonds could all be in play, though.

Recchi?

LeClair was a real unknown. And Desjardins had never anchored a blueline himself.
- Tomahawk

he wasn't an unknown just not nowhere near the caliber of player he turned into. Desjardin was a top pairing guy at the time

Closest in age/production/impact that I can remember would be Joe Thorton....and everyone remembers who the Bruins got back in that trade
- YuenglingJagr

Yeah, it usually doesn't turn out well, save for the example I just listed above.

Yep, today is every bit as amazing as it projected to be

I have a serious question, though, for anyone who can answer, and I promise I am not being an ass about it because I have racked my mind and come up blank:

Can anybody name a trade of the like that is being described, where a struggling club trades an in-prime, Top 10-15 player, at Giroux's age, because of what they might get that would be aligned with two or three years down the line?

I can't think of one off the top of my head, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Just trying to see what examples those who want to move Giroux are drawing from, or if they are wanting the Flyers to boldly go where no franchise has gone
- AllInForFlyers

The trades of Carter & Richards.
Maybe not top 10-15 players, but 2 franchise pieces in there prime, for 4 younger (wait 3-4 years) players.

Recchi?

LeClair was a real unknown quantity. And Desjardins had never anchored a blueline himself.
- Tomahawk

LeClair was a 3rd liner with a good highlight reel from the 1993 playoffs. He was practically a throw in.

Recchi?

LeClair was a real unknown quantity. And Desjardins had never anchored a blueline himself.
- Tomahawk

Desjardins was a top pairing defenseman in Montreal.

Yep, today is every bit as amazing as it projected to be

I have a serious question, though, for anyone who can answer, and I promise I am not being an ass about it because I have racked my mind and come up blank:

Can anybody name a trade of the like that is being described, where a struggling club trades an in-prime, Top 10-15 player, at Giroux's age, because of what they might get that would be aligned with two or three years down the line?

I can't think of one off the top of my head, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Just trying to see what examples those who want to move Giroux are drawing from, or if they are wanting the Flyers to boldly go where no franchise has gone
- AllInForFlyers

G and Jake should be kept. It's the rest that are moveable pieces. Things turn around quicker in sports than they used to. Flyers have a stud 1C and goalie. That's 2/3 of the main pie there

LeClair was a 3rd liner with a good highlight reel from the 1993 playoffs. He was practically a throw in.
- johndewar

No Dionne was the throw in, actually he and Leclair were 40 point forwards in Montreal.

The trades of Carter & Richards.
Maybe not top 10-15 players, but 2 franchise pieces in there prime, for 4 younger (wait 3-4 years) players.
- puckhead17

I think Giroux and Voracek are bigger pieces than either of Richards and Carter were at the time of the trade, and I say that as an absolute Mike Richards fan.

The trades of Carter & Richards.
Maybe not top 10-15 players, but 2 franchise pieces in there prime, for 4 younger (wait 3-4 years) players.
- puckhead17

The Flyers weren't struggling then, though -- people forget, but they had made it to the second round of the playoffs when they moved them. That was about culture, not about the team being bad

No Dionne was the throw in, actually he and Leclair were 40 point forwards in Montreal.
- puckhead17

40 points in 1993 was not great production.

40 points now gets you a 5M AAV.

Yeah, the top three scorers in 1993 had 140+ points.

Hakstol was given a 5 year deal. No way he goes before Year 3, IMO.

Unless they get an offer that knocks their socks off (unlikely in a salary capped world; this ain't 1993), I don't think Giroux or Voracek go anywhere either.

I think Matt Read, BSchenn, and Wayne Simmonds could all be in play, though.
- johndewar

Especially Giroux since he has an NMC.

I think Read has a lot less trade value than BSchenn or Simmonds.

No Dionne was the throw in, actually he and Leclair were 40 point forwards in Montreal.
- puckhead17

Dionne wasn't a throw in. he just didn't pan out. I say if your using that term throw in it was leclair

Thanks for the responses, everyone. I will go back to lurking and would read any more that are posted

The Flyers weren't struggling then, though -- people forget, but they had made it to the second round of the playoffs when they moved them. That was about culture, not about the team being bad
- AllInForFlyers

Exactly. That was what made those moves so shocking at the time.

And for all the "OMG WHAT DID THEY DO?" at the time, the move that Holmgren pulled that really made everyone laugh was getting Jagr to come back from Russia.

I'd say that one worked out ok.

Desjardins was a top pairing defenseman in Montreal.
- puckhead17

It was a mediocre blueline tho... he was more akin to MDZ than he was to Doughty.

Dmen were still scoring point-per-game in that era.