It makes sense from the business end and personnel end to buy him out unless they literally have plenty of cap room to let him sit and rot
- YuenglingJagr

They do have the cap space to do that, and that's exactly what they should do.

I agree, which is why the team I'm going to propose when I get home is going to have a number of young players on it, including multiple young defenseman. Compared to the one you posted which included only Laughton and Gostisbehere.
- MJL

I did not post my prediction or my ideal lineup for next year. I posted the team that is currently under contract combined with estimated cap hits of RFAs and Raffl resigning. In other words, I posted the cap situation that Hextall has to find a way out of

Who do you think OB is? Sigmund Freud?
- Giroux_Is_God

yes

Who do you think OB is? Sigmund Freud?
- Giroux_Is_God

All the Flyers players have a psychosexual complex preventing them from putting the puck in the net and "scoring." Most likely due to rejection by the mother.

2 of the players on that list need to be re-signed this off season. Cousins is in the last year of his EL deal, and Leir, Laughton, and Gostisbehere will need to be re-signed in 2 years.
- MJL

...why do you think I included them?

They do have the cap space to do that, and that's exactly what they should do.
- MJL

They might. Currently they won't though unless schenn and Raffl sign for a discount

They might. Currently they won't though unless schenn and Raffl sign for a discount
- YuenglingJagr

why would we sign raffl for a lot of money

I did not post my prediction or my ideal lineup for next year. I posted the team that is currently under contract combined with estimated cap hits of RFAs and Raffl resigning. In other words, I posted the cap situation that Hextall has to find a way out of
- YuenglingJagr

The objective was to show how to put a roster together without buying out Lecavalier.

They might. Currently they won't though unless schenn and Raffl sign for a discount
- YuenglingJagr

That's not true, I'll show you a way to do that with re-signing Schenn for 4M a year, and Raffl for 3M a year.

...why do you think I included them?
- YuenglingJagr

Your point was that the Flyers would have all these EL deals making it impossible that, and I quote" it will actually be almost impossible for the Flyers to reach the cap ceiling in a few years due to having players on ELCs."

Your point was that the Flyers would have all these EL deals making it impossible that, and I quote" it will actually be almost impossible for the Flyers to reach the cap ceiling in a few years due to having players on ELCs."
- MJL

They aren't the guys that will be on ELCs

They aren't the guys that will be on ELCs
- YuenglingJagr

There will be a few others on ELC's but those players who could very possibly be on the team, will be making more money by that point, so the point is, that it certainly is possible that the Flyers could be near the cap ceiling in a few years, and not almost impossible as you stated.

Here is my possible roster that the Flyers could ice, without buying out Lecavalier

Forwards (14)

Giroux
Voracek
Umberger
Lecavalier
Simmonds
Couturier
B Schenn ( re-signed at AAV 4M)
Raffl (re-signed at AAV of 3M)
Laughton
Vandevelde
Bellemare
Koneckny
Cousins
White

Defense (7)

Del Zotto
MacDonald
Medvedev (re-signed at AAV of 3M)
Schultz
Gudas (re-signed at AAV of 2M)
Gostisbehere
Provorov

Goaltenders (2)

Mason
Neuvirth

Forwards $45,788,666
Defense $17,975,000
Goalies $5,725,000

Total Cap hit $ 69,488,666 leaving them $1,911,334 under the current Upper Limit of 71.4M

In the above scenario, Streit and Read have been traded. This is just one of them, I have others.

The objective was to show how to put a roster together without buying out Lecavalier.
- MJL

This man cannot remain with the team next season. He's a danger to his teammates. You're not considering that. If he "accidentally" kills a teammate, we will have all wished he was bought out. Can't take that risk.

This man cannot remain with the team next season. He's a danger to his teammates. You're not considering that. If he "accidentally" kills a teammate, we will have all wished he was bought out. Can't take that risk.
- Mononoke

They'll take out a nice insurance policy.

What about if he takes out Umberger?

They'll take out a nice insurance policy.

What about if he takes out Umberger?
- MJL

Vinny might very well kill Umberger (we all know Brayden Schenn will die first though). But the man won't stop until he has a guaranteed roster spot. How many players is Hexy willing to sacrifice for 900k on the cap?

Vinny might very well kill Umberger (we all know Brayden Schenn will die first though). But the man won't stop until he has a guaranteed roster spot. How many players is Hexy willing to sacrifice for 900k on the cap?
- Mononoke

If they buy out Vinny there goes all the discussions on how finished he is

This man cannot remain with the team next season. He's a danger to his teammates. You're not considering that. If he "accidentally" kills a teammate, we will have all wished he was bought out. Can't take that risk.
- Mononoke

That is complete nonsense that you'd post something that might happen once in a players career. He is not a danger out there

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cay1qjSm38k

People are still beating the trade Giroux drum?

If they were even considering that don't you think it would've happened at the last draft with the insane depth that draft had and the Flyers also having a top 10 pick to possibly package to go after McDavid or Eichel? Because if you're trading G for any player less than that it just doesn't make a liick of sense to move him.
- hereticpride

no because i think they still thought they could compete with this new coach.

really? i plan my day around flyers games
- 2Real

And watching the Eagles win

What do you guys think of Couturier? You think he has it in him to become a 2nd line center? I know he is only 22 but I am not seeing any signs that he will improve offensively. If Duchene is on the block I would definitely be interested in seeing what they expect for him. Probably more than we can afford but can't hurt to listen.

Here is my possible roster that the Flyers could ice, without buying out Lecavalier

Forwards (14)

Giroux
Voracek
Umberger
Lecavalier
Simmonds
Couturier
B Schenn ( re-signed at AAV 4M)
Raffl (re-signed at AAV of 3M)
Laughton
Vandevelde
Bellemare
Koneckny
Cousins
White

Defense (7)

Del Zotto
MacDonald
Medvedev (re-signed at AAV of 3M)
Schultz
Gudas (re-signed at AAV of 2M)
Gostisbehere
Provorov

Goaltenders (2)

Mason
Neuvirth

Forwards $45,788,666
Defense $17,975,000
Goalies $5,725,000

Total Cap hit $ 69,488,666 leaving them $1,911,334 under the current Upper Limit of 71.4M

In the above scenario, Streit and Read have been traded. This is just one of them, I have others.
- MJL

Cant say I am a fan. I mean Raffl does not look like he should earn 3 mill a year. I am sure Schenn will get 4 mill like Coots did but you have to wonder if one gets traded. If Coots isn't going to show any signs of offensive prowess, there is no real need to keep him and Laughton. You can then explore a trade to bring back another young piece.

Here is my possible roster that the Flyers could ice, without buying out VLC

In the above scenario, Streit and Read have been traded. This is just one of them, I have others.
- MJL

You seriously made me wait hours to show me that? You could've just said trade read and streit. Ya know they could trade Giroux and fit Vinny too right?

You keep hanging on the fact that Bill reported Vinny may retire early, but what about when Bill said the Flyers value Streit and his veteran presence. Maybe he won't be traded. Maybe there isn't a team that can fit his cap hit in that's trying to make a run into the playoffs. What contract do we take back? How much salary do we retain? Why does Read get traded at his cap hit when contending teams can trade for Boyes, Parenteau, Stempniak?

I have thought about this too which is why I said they should make a trade that brings back a bad expiring contract. Proclaiming there are tons of ways to get under the salary cap with Vinny is so pointless it's not even funny. Of course there are ways but every single one subtracts from the on ice product.

What do you guys think of Couturier? You think he has it in him to become a 2nd line center? I know he is only 22 but I am not seeing any signs that he will improve offensively. If Duchene is on the block I would definitely be interested in seeing what they expect for him. Probably more than we can afford but can't hurt to listen.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I hate numbering lines, but imo, I think the Flyers need an entire 2nd line.

You seriously made me wait hours to show me that? You could've just said trade read and streit. Ya know they could trade Giroux and fit Vinny too right?

You keep hanging on the fact that Bill reported Vinny may retire early, but what about when Bill said the Flyers value Streit and his veteran presence. Maybe he won't be traded. Maybe there isn't a team that can fit his cap hit in that's trying to make a run into the playoffs. What contract do we take back? How much salary do we retain? Why does Read get traded at his cap hit when contending teams can trade for Boyes, Parenteau, Stempniak?

I have thought about this too which is why I said they should make a trade that brings back a bad expiring contract. Proclaiming there are tons of ways to get under the salary cap with Vinny is so pointless it's not even funny. Of course there are ways but every single one subtracts from the on ice product.
- YuenglingJagr

LOL, you crack me up. I'm showing you simply that the Flyers do not need to buy out Lecavalier. Maybe Streit won't be traded. Want to see a roster with Streit on it? I have that too! Are you seriously going to tell me that Read does not have value in a trade, and that the Flyers can't trade him? Do you honestly believe that the Flyers aren't going to make any trades?

Tell me, did the trade of Coburn last year at the deadline, subtract from the on ice product? Why was it done?

Stating that showing that there are many ways to get under the salary cap with Lecavalier is pointless, is an asinine statement, when the discussion is about how the Flyers can do that and avoid a buyout and cap penalties for future years. Remember the roster you posted and you're statement that it's what Hextall has to deal with cap wise. Tell me, how exactly does a non playoff team, create cap space to begin adding younger prospects to the roster?

Nothing you've said here makes any sense! The Flyers are likely going to get worse before they get better. My roster starts the turnover of the roster, and starts the removal of older players, and the addition of younger players! That's what has to happen. I know you agree with that, because you said it earlier. The Flyers going from where they are now, to hopefully a top team, is going to be a process. It's going to take some time, and this is just the beginning. What are you expecting, a quick turnaround and a Stanley Cup roster! Step to the plate now and show me how they do that by buying out Lecavalier this off season. Show me why it's so important that they buyout Lecavalier, that they have to take on 4 years of dead cap space. I'm directly challenging you to show me why it is. I'll be waiting.