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Williamc5468
Joined: 11.20.2015

Nov 20 @ 5:29 PM ET
It's not a black-white situation. Dead space hurts (because you're spending money that you're getting no value from) but dead space when you need free space hurts worse. Effective cap management has to take the long view, and it's never going to be a smooth ride.
- Scoob

You should just be GM. Great insight
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 20 @ 5:29 PM ET
goulbourne = quality
- rinaldo


einhorn = finkle

finkle = einhorn

einhorn is a man!!!!
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 20 @ 5:30 PM ET
guys have you looked at our schedule? we might win 1 of our next 5 games
- 2Real


i never look at it. i turn on the tv to see if there's a game. if it even occurs to me.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 20 @ 5:31 PM ET
Well, using history as a guide, I feel comfortable in assuming that the Flyers, even with this new approach, will be a team that is close to the cap limit.
- Scoob


You want to use history as a guide, but when is the last time the Flyers drafted and developed in the salary cap era? Based on contracts, it will actually be almost impossible for the Flyers to reach the cap ceiling in a few years due to having players on ELCs.

We will have

Schenn - G - Jake
XXX - Coots - Simmonds
Raffl - Laughton - XXX
Leier - Cousins - XXX

AMac - Ghost
MDZ? - XXX
XXX - XXX

Where do you add a FA with NAK, Konecny, Provorov, Sanheim, Morin, Alt, Hagg, Straka, Lindblom, 1st rounder this year all waiting for spots to open up? We will hopefully be in the position of moving guys out to create room for young guys...not FA
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 20 @ 5:32 PM ET
It's not a black-white situation. Dead space hurts (because you're spending money that you're getting no value from) but dead space when you need free space hurts worse. Effective cap management has to take the long view, and it's never going to be a smooth ride.
- Scoob


The trouble is, if Lecavalier doesn't retire, you're basically carrying $4.5mm in dead cap space, plus have a disgruntled player hanging around. I'd buy him him, because the cap savings, removal of a potential distraction and freeing up a slot for a kid or free agent is worth 2 seasons of $850k or so dead space.

I just don't know if he's going to retire or not. If he is, I suspect he waits until after he gets the next July 1st bonus. That falls after the buyout window
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 20 @ 5:32 PM ET
Did you shave the top of your head and paste it to your chin?
- PhillySportsGuy


staples. he uses staples. and 3m double sided tape sometimes.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 20 @ 5:36 PM ET
The trouble is, if Lecavalier doesn't retire, you're basically carrying $4.5mm in dead cap space, plus have a disgruntled player hanging around. I'd buy him him, because the cap savings, removal of a potential distraction and freeing up a slot for a kid or free agent is worth 2 seasons of $850k or so dead space.

I just don't know if he's going to retire or not. If he is, I suspect he waits until after he gets the next July 1st bonus. That falls after the buyout window

- Jsaquella


YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 20 @ 5:38 PM ET
The trouble is, if Lecavalier doesn't retire, you're basically carrying $4.5mm in dead cap space, plus have a disgruntled player hanging around. I'd buy him him, because the cap savings, removal of a potential distraction and freeing up a slot for a kid or free agent is worth 2 seasons of $850k or so dead space.

I just don't know if he's going to retire or not. If he is, I suspect he waits until after he gets the next July 1st bonus. That falls after the buyout window

- Jsaquella


It makes sense from the business end and personnel end to buy him out unless they literally have plenty of cap room to let him sit and rot
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 20 @ 5:43 PM ET
Did you shave the top of your head and paste it to your chin?
- PhillySportsGuy

pls don't make fun of me ty
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 20 @ 5:43 PM ET
You want to use history as a guide, but when is the last time the Flyers drafted and developed in the salary cap era? Based on contracts, it will actually be almost impossible for the Flyers to reach the cap ceiling in a few years due to having players on ELCs.

We will have

Schenn - G - Jake
XXX - Coots - Simmonds
Raffl - Laughton - XXX
Leier - Cousins - XXX

AMac - Ghost
MDZ? - XXX
XXX - XXX

Where do you add a FA with NAK, Konecny, Provorov, Sanheim, Morin, Alt, Hagg, Straka, Lindblom, 1st rounder this year all waiting for spots to open up? We will hopefully be in the position of moving guys out to create room for young guys...not FA

- YuenglingJagr


With all the XXX on the roster, I doubt MDZ is going anywhere
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 20 @ 5:43 PM ET
pls don't make fun of me ty
- Giroux_Is_God


Sorry. I love you
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 20 @ 5:44 PM ET
staples. he uses staples. and 3m double sided tape sometimes.
- hammarby31


A real hockey player. Always wondered how they grew those beards to quickly
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 20 @ 5:45 PM ET
The trouble is, if Lecavalier doesn't retire, you're basically carrying $4.5mm in dead cap space, plus have a disgruntled player hanging around. I'd buy him him, because the cap savings, removal of a potential distraction and freeing up a slot for a kid or free agent is worth 2 seasons of $850k or so dead space.

I just don't know if he's going to retire or not. If he is, I suspect he waits until after he gets the next July 1st bonus. That falls after the buyout window

- Jsaquella


I'd roll the dice and hope he retires or mutually terminates
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 20 @ 5:45 PM ET
Sorry. I love you
- PhillySportsGuy

PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 20 @ 5:47 PM ET

- Giroux_Is_God

Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 20 @ 5:50 PM ET
If their drafting right, signing guys to the right deals, etc basically General managing responsibly. It doesn't matter.
- Just5


Sure. But that's a perfect world. I'm of the mind that you want the most flexibility when you need it.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 20 @ 5:51 PM ET
The trouble is, if Lecavalier doesn't retire, you're basically carrying $4.5mm in dead cap space, plus have a disgruntled player hanging around. I'd buy him him, because the cap savings, removal of a potential distraction and freeing up a slot for a kid or free agent is worth 2 seasons of $850k or so dead space.

I just don't know if he's going to retire or not. If he is, I suspect he waits until after he gets the next July 1st bonus. That falls after the buyout window

- Jsaquella


Oh, it's a headache of a situation for sure.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 20 @ 5:53 PM ET

- Giroux_Is_God




That's gold, Jerry. Gold!
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 20 @ 5:53 PM ET
Omg if no one on the Flyers has said it then it must not be true. Yea he is a healthy scratch because the 6 turd defenseman we have are much better. Fire the coach, right everybody? That's the problem first lavy, then berube now the new guy. A lot of fans clueless same core guys for 4 years now 1 playoff series. Everyone on the team should be avaible especially giroux if you don't think so then your fine with the last few years & moving forward with the same guys. Talking about the cap situation next year, I wouldn't re-sign any of the turds that are ufa or rfa. It's sad when Buffalo is a better team now.
- Williamc5468

you know why because buffalo tanked and got eichel
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 20 @ 5:55 PM ET
i never look at it. i turn on the tv to see if there's a game. if it even occurs to me.
- hammarby31

really? i plan my day around flyers games
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 20 @ 5:55 PM ET
Overall, they're playing well...just can't finish to save their lives. Annoying, but better than the Canadian trip
- Jsaquella


Spend a lot of time looking for the "perfect pass"
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 20 @ 6:00 PM ET
Spend a lot of time looking for the "perfect pass"
- ob18

you think it's that or are they just afraid
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 20 @ 6:06 PM ET
you think it's that or are they just afraid
- 2Real

Who do you think OB is? Sigmund Freud?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 20 @ 6:07 PM ET
Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying. You are right if you look at it that way (I was just thinking in terms of total buyout). To me it is obvious that we weren't doing anything this year so I didn't mind paying him this year to reduce the effects in the future. With prospects now ready to debut, I think it is the time to make room for them.
- YuenglingJagr


I agree, which is why the team I'm going to propose when I get home is going to have a number of young players on it, including multiple young defenseman. Compared to the one you posted which included only Laughton and Gostisbehere.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 20 @ 6:11 PM ET
You want to use history as a guide, but when is the last time the Flyers drafted and developed in the salary cap era? Based on contracts, it will actually be almost impossible for the Flyers to reach the cap ceiling in a few years due to having players on ELCs.

We will have

Schenn - G - Jake
XXX - Coots - Simmonds
Raffl - Laughton - XXX
Leier - Cousins - XXX

AMac - Ghost
MDZ? - XXX
XXX - XXX

Where do you add a FA with NAK, Konecny, Provorov, Sanheim, Morin, Alt, Hagg, Straka, Lindblom, 1st rounder this year all waiting for spots to open up? We will hopefully be in the position of moving guys out to create room for young guys...not FA

- YuenglingJagr


2 of the players on that list need to be re-signed this off season. Cousins is in the last year of his EL deal, and Leir, Laughton, and Gostisbehere will need to be re-signed in 2 years.
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