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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 20 @ 4:04 PM ET
Christ, who got banned then created an idiotic alt to troll the threads all day?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 20 @ 4:09 PM ET
Christ, who got banned then created an idiotic alt to troll the threads all day?
- Jsaquella

Crims
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 20 @ 4:10 PM ET
Aaaaaand we are back to square one. Great work. Still waiting to see how you fit him in...but its clear you are just assuming trades happen. The only trade that would help us get under the cap next year that has been rumored by reputable sources is Brayden Schenn and the obvious Vinny trade
- YuenglingJagr


It's clear you're assuming trades won't happen with th e roster that you gave. How is expecting some trades to be made, unreasonable? Surely trades that aren't rumored happen in the NHL. The last Flyers trade that was made wasn't rumored to my knowledge.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 20 @ 4:13 PM ET
It's clear you're assuming trades won't happen with th e roster that you gave. How is expecting some trades to be made, unreasonable? Surely trades that aren't rumored happen in the NHL. The last Flyers trade that was made wasn't rumored to my knowledge.
- MJL


Im waiting to see what you have planned
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Nov 20 @ 4:16 PM ET
Crims
- Nucker101

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 20 @ 4:17 PM ET
Im waiting to see what you have planned
- YuenglingJagr



I don't have anything planned.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Nov 20 @ 4:18 PM ET
I do agree with William about Medvedev being hurt.

I have not read anything to confirm, just my gut feeling.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 20 @ 4:21 PM ET
I don't have anything planned.
- MJL


Well, he shared his plans. You claim (if I read right) to have done the same. You said, "Since you've said you've looked at the numbers, you'll share yours also, correct?" If he's "also" sharing his, I assume you will be sharing your speculative 16/17 Flyers' roster, as the "also" implies that you have one as well...unless I missed it earlier.

Edit: Basically, would you please provide us with one of your multiple sample rosters you've compiled so that we can see how easily VLC can be kept on the roster cap-wise?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 20 @ 4:21 PM ET
All you've given is what the Flyers already have on the books for the season. I've put together multiple sample rosters and looked at what the Flyers can potentially do without buying out Lecavalier. I have them written out at home in preparation of such a conversation. I'll be happy to share it when I get home. The Flyers do not need to buy him out. They may choose to but they don't need to. Fans still can't grasp that the cap is about choices.
- MJL

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 20 @ 4:22 PM ET
Im waiting to see what you have planned
- YuenglingJagr



I don't have anything planned. To be clear, I'm not predicting what Hextall will do. I'm simply going to show how a team can be put on the ice without buying anyone out. Buying out Lecavalier and/or Umberger would be a big mistake, in my opinion. I'm simply moving out a few veterans, and bringing in some younger players. Which is a natural progression that a team like the Flyers with the state of their team, would reasonably make. You'll nitpick it, but I'm prepared for all that.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 20 @ 4:24 PM ET
Crims
- Nucker101

True, if big
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 20 @ 4:24 PM ET
Well, he shared his plans. You claim (if I read right) to have done the same. You said, "Since you've said you've looked at the numbers, you'll share yours also, correct?" If he's "also" sharing his, I assume you will be sharing your speculative 16/17 Flyers' roster, as the "also" implies that you have one as well...unless I missed it earlier.
- jmatchett383



If you read back, I stated that I have prepared speculative rosters for when this conversation came back up, to show how the Flyers can put a team on the ice without a buyout, and that I would post it when I got home. It's not a plan.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 20 @ 4:25 PM ET
True, if big
- Giroux_Is_God


Big, if big.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 20 @ 4:25 PM ET
Big, if big.
- jmatchett383

Not small, if not false
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 20 @ 4:25 PM ET
If you read back, I stated that I have prepared speculative rosters for when this conversation came back up, to show how the Flyers can put a team on the ice without a buyout, and that I would post it when I got home. It's not a plan.
- MJL


Yes, I edited to clarify what I was trying to say. I look forward to your roster, not to nitpick, but I am honestly curious what players you see the Flyers removing/adding.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Nov 20 @ 4:27 PM ET
I don't have anything planned. To be clear, I'm not predicting what Hextall will do. I'm simply going to show how a team can be put on the ice without buying anyone out. Buying out Lecavalier and/or Umberger would be a big mistake, in my opinion. I'm simply moving out a few veterans, and bringing in some younger players. Which is a natural progression that a team like the Flyers with the state of their team, would reasonably make. You'll nitpick it, but I'm prepared for all that.
- MJL

I want quality players not just young players.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 20 @ 4:27 PM ET
Not small, if not false
- Giroux_Is_God


For variableif = true"
variabletrue = "yes"
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 20 @ 4:27 PM ET
I want quality players not just young players.
- rinaldo


I thought you wanted Goulborune?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 20 @ 4:28 PM ET
I am also asking to speculate even further in the future...when you say that the Flyers will be competitive and Vinny's 916k buyout penalty will be dead money. I think the team will have enough ELCs where it is not a problem to fit them under the cap. The only raises they will have are potentially B Schenn again and MDZ/Ghost/Mason. Combined with Streit and Umberger no longer on the books, I dont see how Hextall couldnt work around 916k of dead money when he is already working around 8 mill + of dead money.

Stop saying things like they dont need to buyout Lecavalier, because we both know that there are ways to get under the cap without buying him out. My point is that he is so useless to this team that the cap penalties are worth buying him out this summer. Getting rid of him is a positive, but getting rid of Read and Streit are negatives (in terms of current on ice production)
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 20 @ 4:30 PM ET
Christ, who got banned then created an idiotic alt to troll the threads all day?
- Jsaquella

that would be ob
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 20 @ 4:31 PM ET
I do agree with William about Medvedev being hurt.

I have not read anything to confirm, just my gut feeling.

- Marc D


Same. I don't think new guy William has either, tbh.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 20 @ 4:31 PM ET
Once Umberger comes back everything will be great again.
- Williamc5468

i forgot he was still on the team
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 20 @ 4:32 PM ET
Yes, I edited to clarify what I was trying to say. I look forward to your roster, not to nitpick, but I am honestly curious what players you see the Flyers removing/adding.
- jmatchett383


It's not who I see the Flyers removing or adding. It's not a prediction. It's speculative to look at what the potential is, and how the Flyers can avoid a buyout to get the cap as clean as possible, moving forward.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 20 @ 4:34 PM ET
Christ, who got banned then created an idiotic alt to troll the threads all day?
- Jsaquella


Gotta give him credit for his persistence, though -- amazing performance art
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 20 @ 4:36 PM ET
It's not who I see the Flyers removing or adding. It's not a prediction. It's speculative to look at what the potential is, and how the Flyers can avoid a buyout to get the cap as clean as possible, moving forward.
- MJL


Don't you have to add/remove players when you're speculating what the roster may look like next year (assuming the roster is not identical to this year's)?
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