Speaking of apples and oranges....lol

Play Delzotto, Streit or Schultz, who 's been in the league a long time and ALL those guys have difficulty with big body's....Ghost has held his own defensively and has been by far the best offensive player from the back end since he's arrived.
- landros 2

They're all better choices to play against top lines at this point than Gostisbehere is. If you want to mention Streit, he's a proven point producer as a defenseman in the NHL.

Brian Rafalski retired early and left 6M on the table.
- MJL

Good memory
I'm only saying (my opinion only), I'm not struggling with the cap while continuing to pay him top $.

I don't like "we know we're not going anywhere this year", logic either.
I just don't like throwing a year away on players careers, while waiting 2 more years for others. We all see what one player can do for a team to make a difference.
That's all.

So this may be his press box retirement tour?
- puckhead17

I think there is a chance he chooses to move on from the Flyers even sooner than after the 16/17 season, but that's pure speculation on my part.

Good memory
I'm only saying (my opinion only), I'm not struggling with the cap while continuing to pay him top $.

I don't like "we know we're not going anywhere this year", logic either.
I just don't like throwing a year away on players careers, while waiting 2 more years for others.
That's all.
- puckhead17

I don't think that's what they'd be doing. Do you think if the Flyers buy out Lecavalier after next season, the cap spaced gained is going to allow the Flyers to significantly upgrade the team and get them closer to being a contender? I don't.

I don't think that's what they'd be doing. Do you think if the Flyers buy out Lecavalier after next season, the cap spaced gained is going to allow the Flyers to significantly upgrade the team and get them closer to being a contender? I don't.
- MJL

With $3m cap space no, but it does get them closer.
Along with another contract or 2 off the boards.
Then they may have $6/7m available?
Yes, then they can improve things.
Remember, they are the lowest scoring team in the league right now.
I'm reaching a little, but the cap space starts with him.

With $3m cap space no, but it does get them closer.
Along with another contract or 2 off the boards.
Then they may have $6/7m available?
Yes, then they can improve things.
Remember, they are the lowest scoring team in the league right now.
I'm reaching a little, but the cap space starts with him.
- puckhead17

what about more movable players? like schenn or simmonds or read or ???

Just to be clear, are you saying Giroux sucks or Voracek sucks? Or both?
- MBFlyerfan

it's not what i said... but the team which they are in fact part of does suck, has sucked amd is going to suck for several years with or without them.

what about more movable players? like schenn or simmonds or read or ???
- 2Real

Or the sucky $8m a year guys
Yeah

Or the sucky $8m a year guys
Yeah
- puckhead17

b/c wanting to move a player to get value and at the sametime letting them play for a contender equates to them sucking... hockeybuzz logic

With $3m cap space no, but it does get them closer.
Along with another contract or 2 off the boards.
Then they may have $6/7m available?
Yes, then they can improve things.
Remember, they are the lowest scoring team in the league right now.
I'm reaching a little, but the cap space starts with him.
- puckhead17

I think having as much cap space as possible, when the team is really ready to do something, which won't be next season, is far more important. If you have a better team with a higher volume of better players, cap space is more important. Buying out Lecavalier after this season, guarantees the last year of his deal, and puts dead cap space on the cap for 4 seasons. If he's done after next season, free and clear. It's a no brainer. This team simply doesn't need to buyout Lecavalier to gain more cap space for next season. It's not needed.

I think having as much cap space as possible, when the team is really ready to do something, which won't be next season, is far more important. If you have a better team with a higher volume of better players, cap space is more important. Buying out Lecavalier after this season, guarantees the last year of his deal, and puts dead cap space on the cap for 4 seasons. If he's done after next season, free and clear. It's a no brainer. This team simply doesn't need to buyout Lecavalier to gain more cap space for next season. It's not needed.
- MJL

i say let him play. let him be embarrassed every night.

Luke?
He saved that open netter in the first minute, played very physical when the opportunity presented itself, (unlike Radko).

He seems to be limiting his mistakes each game, he's been very steady moving the puck out as well.
- puckhead17

I am just saying last nights game. For the season he has been very steady moving the puck and has been physical at the right times. Still had trouble moving the puck out of the zone last night though. Radko puttin ghimself out of position to make a hit drives me nuts

i say let him play. let him be embarrassed every night.
- JoeRussomanno

I would too but I'm not the coach. Whether or not Vinny plays we still lose. Let the guy go out how he wants to. Or maybe he'll be like Peyton and never realize he's done.

Yeah, pretty much.
Honestly, it's really a waste of time talking about a Giroux trade. This team already lacks leadership. Trading the Captain, who happens to be one of the hardest workers on the team, and, fwiw, the most marketable player on the club, is just not going to happen.

Nor should it.
- BiggE

I dont think theres anyone on here that knows what they are talking about that wants to trade him

I dont think theres anyone on here that knows what they are talking about that wants to trade him
- YuenglingJagr

I don't want to trade him, and I agree with those who state that getting the right return for Giroux would be difficult. In theory, the idea of trading Giroux for a monster return is not a ridiculous thought.

I don't want to trade him, and I agree with those who state that getting the right return for Giroux would be difficult. In theory, the idea of trading Giroux for a monster return is not a ridiculous thought.
- MJL

What player isnt that true for though? It isnt realistic. Maybe dont trade McDavid for a ridiculous return...but what everyone is saying is Giroux is worth "X" and I would totally trade him for "X+" Well no poop

I think having as much cap space as possible, when the team is really ready to do something, which won't be next season, is far more important. If you have a better team with a higher volume of better players, cap space is more important. Buying out Lecavalier after this season, guarantees the last year of his deal, and puts dead cap space on the cap for 4 seasons. If he's done after next season, free and clear. It's a no brainer. This team simply doesn't need to buyout Lecavalier to gain more cap space for next season. It's not needed.
- MJL

I know this is your position on the matter...but what I really want to know is what do you think the 916k of dead money will be used for? You really don't think the 916k could be accounted for by all the production from guys on ELCs? The alternative is wasting 4.5 million on VLC. It also saves the flyers organization money by paying him 2/3 of what is already guaranteed.

What player isnt that true for though? It isnt realistic. Maybe dont trade McDavid for a ridiculous return...but what everyone is saying is Giroux is worth "X" and I would totally trade him for "X+" Well no poop
- YuenglingJagr

The idea is that he would be traded for a monster return and a potential quantity of quality so to speak. The worth in a trade that is envisioned is certainly not true for every player.

I know this is your position on the matter...but what I really want to know is what do you think the 916k of dead money will be used for? You really don't think the 916k could be accounted for by all the production from guys on ELCs? The alternative is wasting 4.5 million on VLC. It also saves the flyers organization money by paying him 2/3 of what is already guaranteed.
- YuenglingJagr

If we buyout Vinny tomorrow who do you bring in that makes this team a contender with the money? Every extra year we play is less time on the buyout if it happens.

I know this is your position on the matter...but what I really want to know is what do you think the 916k of dead money will be used for? You really don't think the 916k could be accounted for by all the production from guys on ELCs? The alternative is wasting 4.5 million on VLC. It also saves the flyers organization money by paying him 2/3 of what is already guaranteed.
- YuenglingJagr

Doesn't matter what it's used for. 0 dead money on the cap is better than having 916K of dead money, it's that simple. I don't care about the Flyers saving money.

People are still beating the trade Giroux drum?

If they were even considering that don't you think it would've happened at the last draft with the insane depth that draft had and the Flyers also having a top 10 pick to possibly package to go after McDavid or Eichel? Because if you're trading G for any player less than that it just doesn't make a liick of sense to move him.

If we buyout Vinny tomorrow who do you bring in that makes this team a contender with the money? Every extra year we play is less time on the buyout if it happens.
- 2Real

He would get bought out in June...So its only 4 years

People are still beating the trade Giroux drum?

If they were even considering that don't you think it would've happened at the last draft with the insane depth that draft had and the Flyers also having a top 10 pick to possibly package to go after McDavid or Eichel? Because if you're trading G for any player less than that it just doesn't make a liick of sense to move him.
- hereticpride

hey if mike richards can be traded

People are still beating the trade Giroux drum?

If they were even considering that don't you think it would've happened at the last draft with the insane depth that draft had and the Flyers also having a top 10 pick to possibly package to go after McDavid or Eichel? Because if you're trading G for any player less than that it just doesn't make a liick of sense to move him.
- hereticpride

hey if mike richards can be traded

People are still beating the trade Giroux drum?

If they were even considering that don't you think it would've happened at the last draft with the insane depth that draft had and the Flyers also having a top 10 pick to possibly package to go after McDavid or Eichel? Because if you're trading G for any player less than that it just doesn't make a liick of sense to move him.
- hereticpride

Teams that have picks that high, aren't going to be interested in trading For Giroux. They're not one player away and would rather build around the 19 year old star, than the 28 year old star.