If Stan was looking at one of those LWs I would guess it could be as part of a bigger deal.

Example: Puempel and Wiercioch for Daley and a fringe forward.
- DarthKane

Or Stan uses that 2nd rounder in a package for a d man from another team like the Flames. I hope we see sources other than EK confirm the interest of other teams. Maybe we see a better return for once.

Maybe the $3.3M in cap space allows them to bring up Paille (is that still being considered?) and sign Visnovsky or Hejda.
- DMChi2010

I was wondering the same thing!

If Daley is to be traded, they should at least wait until the deadline. Nobody will pay up now.

Visnovsky signed in the KHL weeks ago.

If the Hawks did trade Daley, it wouldn't matter what they got back in return, just as long as they didn't retain salary. There are lots of solid #4-6 DMen that are available right now that can help the Hawks. Any of them in the final year of the their contracts can be had for very little, and their salaries would be pro-rated, allowing the Hawks to take on a fair amount. They are sold on Guftasson and think that Svedberg can help as he continues to develop his game. But they know as things stand right now, they are still one solid DMan away from going deep into the playoffs securely.

As for Mashinter, this is all Coach Q. He prefers to have "muscle" on his team and is sending a message for anyone willing to listen. This road trip will force his hand however.

As I posted - Daley going does not mean Stan is finished. If they add another forward - particularly a non waiver protected forward - then it wouldn't be surprising if another trade happens and that would probably be for a vet d man who actually plays defense.
- tredbrta

I don't understand the rush, some say well he makes 3.3 mil you can't afford that, but I say you can if TVR is playing top 4 minutes, unless they are concerned about TVR since he hasn't looked as strong as he has in the past 5 games? If they are comfortable with TVR then don't they have a luxury of letting Daley learn the system and many said Oduya was garbage until he wasn't, so please don't speak in absolutes saying he'll never learn this system, he might

If Daley is to be traded, they should at least wait until the deadline. Nobody will pay up now.
- 333inthe3rd

Sure "they" will, as there wouldn't be much of a cost to acquire Daley outside of taking on his salary. The Hawks don't need to be looking at "bringing back" Visnovsky (KHL) or Hejda if they move Daley, there are a lot of DMen in the final year of their contracts available around the league.

Sharpie with 15 points already
- EnzoD

Dallas places far less importance on defense and as we see with Daley he was a top 4 in Dallas and in Chicago he really isn't capable of playing in Q's system at all because of his lack of defensive commitment and skill. Same with Sharp, if Q allowed him to play strictly an offensive game he's be a top scorer for the Hawks too. When the important games come poor defense will be Dallas' downfall as it was last season and the ones before that.

If the Hawks did trade Daley, it wouldn't matter what they got back in return, just as long as they didn't retain salary. There are lots of solid #4-6 DMen that are available right now that can help the Hawks. Any of them in the final year of the their contracts can be had for very little, and their salaries would be pro-rated, allowing the Hawks to take on a fair amount. They are sold on Guftasson and think that Svedberg can help as he continues to develop his game. But they know as things stand right now, they are still one solid DMan away from going deep into the playoffs securely.

As for Mashinter, this is all Coach Q. He prefers to have "muscle" on his team and is sending a message for anyone willing to listen. This road trip will force his hand however.
- MexicoHawk

Since when? I'd argue that Q seldom if ever dresses 'muscle' just for muscle sake and he certainly doesn't play that type of player much if he happens to be in the lineup.

If the Hawks did trade Daley, it wouldn't matter what they got back in return, just as long as they didn't retain salary. There are lots of solid #4-6 DMen that are available right now that can help the Hawks. Any of them in the final year of the their contracts can be had for very little, and their salaries would be pro-rated, allowing the Hawks to take on a fair amount. They are sold on Guftasson and think that Svedberg can help as he continues to develop his game. But they know as things stand right now, they are still one solid DMan away from going deep into the playoffs securely.

As for Mashinter, this is all Coach Q. He prefers to have "muscle" on his team and is sending a message for anyone willing to listen. This road trip will force his hand however.
- MexicoHawk

Mex - who do you see out there that are FAs (assuming that's what you're thinking), that would be the best fit?

If Stan was looking at one of those LWs I would guess it could be as part of a bigger deal.

Example: Puempel and Wiercioch for Daley and a fringe forward.
- DarthKane

That's exactly what I was thinking DK.

That deal would free up 500k+ too.

They talk with Ottawa a lot. Have never heard of specific interest in Puempel or Prince. Have heard (repeatedly) in the past, they like Wiercioch and Zack Smith
- John Jaeckel

Heck why not hold out for Hoffman. We'll even throw in Rundblad!

1. Trade Daley (+) to Ottawa for 2nd and Puempel.

2. Trade Puempel and a lower pick to Calgary for Russell.

3. Trade Bickell, Ottawa's 2nd, Dano to San Jose for Marleau ($2.6M retained).

The Hawks would clear $700K in cap space with the Daley for Russell exchange. Marleau with $2.6M retained would be a wash for Bickell's $4M this season and next. The Hawks would clear another $925K from trading Dano, so thats around $1.6M in cap space they would have to use at the TDL to get a little help at that time. They would also be free of Daley's $3.3M next season but would have to sign another d-man to take Russell's spot for 2016/17 - or Svedberg/Gustaffson are ready for a full time role.

Marleau-Toews-Hossa
Panarin-Anisimov-Kane
Shaw-Kruger-Teravainen
Tikhonov-Kero-Garbutt

Keith-Hjalmarsson
Russell-Seabrook
Gustafsson/TvR/Rozsival

you could argue right now is a good time to trade. How many sellers are out there right now, not many but more will start once we get closer? And how many buyer's? Also it seems pretty clear that it takes more then a month to really learn a system. look at all the D men that moved at the deadline how many really made a big difference. If you are Ottowa there are right now 14 teams trying to make the East (Carolina and Toronto probably not) wouldn't you pay more right now knowing you need help and you are not paying for a rental. You do not want to trade at the deadline when you are 6 points out.

Since when? I'd argue that Q seldom if ever dresses 'muscle' just for muscle sake and he certainly doesn't play that type of player much if he happens to be in the lineup.
- paulr

John Scott
Bollig
Carcillo
Eager

He usually has a guy on the roster who's not afraid to goon it up a bit, some more than others. Not necessarily to eat up minutes, but to make the other team think twice about taking shots at their skill players without consequence.

If Stan was looking at one of those LWs I would guess it could be as part of a bigger deal.

Example: Puempel and Wiercioch for Daley and a fringe forward.
- DarthKane

This could fill two needs. A LW and a bottom pairing D. Maybe Desi goes to make this happen. Lazar seems to have dropped on their depth chart and would look good as a #3 Center and Kero could move to wing. I dont think that will happen though

1. Trade Daley (+) to Ottawa for 2nd and Puempel.

2. Trade Puempel and a lower pick to Calgary for Russell.

3. Trade Bickell, Ottawa's 2nd, Dano to San Jose for Marleau ($2.6M retained).

The Hawks would clear $700K in cap space with the Daley for Russell exchange. Marleau with $2.6M retained would be a wash for Bickell's $4M this season and next. The Hawks would clear another $925K from trading Dano, so thats around $1.6M in cap space they would have to use at the TDL to get a little help at that time. They would also be free of Daley's $3.3M next season but would have to sign another d-man to take Russell's spot for 2016/17 - or Svedberg/Gustaffson are ready for a full time role.

Marleau-Toews-Hossa
Panarin-Anisimov-Kane
Shaw-Kruger-Teravainen
Tikhonov-Kero-Garbutt

Keith-Hjalmarsson
Russell-Seabrook
Gustafsson/TvR/Rozsival
- EbonyRaptor

This is the real world, not flipping hockey cards. You're trying to force trades and it plays like fantasy hockey. Not Bowman's style at all.

1. Trade Daley (+) to Ottawa for 2nd and Puempel.

2. Trade Puempel and a lower pick to Calgary for Russell.

3. Trade Bickell, Ottawa's 2nd, Dano to San Jose for Marleau ($2.6M retained).

The Hawks would clear $700K in cap space with the Daley for Russell exchange. Marleau with $2.6M retained would be a wash for Bickell's $4M this season and next. The Hawks would clear another $925K from trading Dano, so thats around $1.6M in cap space they would have to use at the TDL to get a little help at that time. They would also be free of Daley's $3.3M next season but would have to sign another d-man to take Russell's spot for 2016/17 - or Svedberg/Gustaffson are ready for a full time role.

Marleau-Toews-Hossa
Panarin-Anisimov-Kane
Shaw-Kruger-Teravainen
Tikhonov-Kero-Garbutt

Keith-Hjalmarsson
Russell-Seabrook
Gustafsson/TvR/Rozsival
- EbonyRaptor

This is the real world, not flipping hockey cards. You're trying to force trades and it plays like fantasy hockey. Not Bowman's style at all.
- Hofmeister

He's just throwing ideas out there. Nothin wrong with that.

Daley for Oduya

John Scott
Bollig
Carcillo
Eager

He usually has a guy on the roster who's not afraid to goon it up a bit, some more than others. Not necessarily to eat up minutes, but to make the other team think twice about taking shots at their skill players without consequence.
- roots_gamble

Correct, got some scoop on this, Daley, Desi and more. Will blog it tomorrow.

A 2nd and Puempel would be a nice get for Daley. I wonder what Wiz thinks of Puempel?

If they add a forward for Daley I would expect another trade - forwards going for a D man back possibly.

Daley going is really about cap space and his lag in picking up the defensive game Q demands IMO.
- tredbrta

Highly unlikely. That is so stupid for Ottawa

Correct, got some scoop on this, Daley, Desi and more. Will blog it tomorrow.
- John Jaeckel

What a cliffhanger!

Correct, got some scoop on this, Daley, Desi and more. Will blog it tomorrow.
- John Jaeckel

Tomorrow??

This is the real world, not flipping hockey cards. You're trying to force trades and it plays like fantasy hockey. Not Bowman's style at all.
- Hofmeister

Maybe so, but each trade taken individually doesn't seem so far fetched to me.