2 games is long enough IMO for a doghouse stay in favor of Mashinter. Not having Desi back in the lineup yet is truly a mystery.

Nobody really knows why? Im so confused.....

I don't like this at all sure Gustafsson could probably do as good a job as Daley, and TVR is playing well, but they would be foolish to give him away especially since TVR had two significant injuries last year and we've only played a quarter of the season. I bet they're trying to get a bidding war going between two teams, we'll see but don't like this at all.
- BetweenTheDots

I think they're comfortable enough with what they've seen out of Gustafsson and Svedberg that they may see Daley as somewhat expendable. As much as we all may disagree, they've shown that they're willing and ready to roll with Rundblad as their #7, too. Daley could be moved simply to free up cap space to get bridge deals done.

2 games is long enough IMO for a doghouse stay in favor of Mashinter. Not having Desi back in the lineup yet is truly a mystery.

Nobody really knows why? Im so confused.....
- SimpleJack

I think we all are, really. The only things that makes sense are either an unreported injury for Desi/Tikhonov or some team really wants to see what Mashinter can do against NHL talent.

If it's the latter, then my questions are A. how serious are the trade talks that the Hawks would be willing to give a roster spot to him for this many games in order for another team (or teams) to evaluate and B. how long until they decide enough's enough and the other team(s) have had more than enough time to evaluate him on the NHL level?

Tik isn't getting discouraged is he? I'm not sure what Qs problem is with him. He works hard. Took a bad penalty I think. Q has his favs sometimes.
- hocktock

Yeah, JJ what's up with Tik not playing? You'd think Q would want him out there for his defensive abilities alone? And sign his mom if necessary to keep Panarin happy? Don't get it....

I think they're comfortable enough with what they've seen out of Gustafsson and Svedberg that they may see Daley as somewhat expendable. As much as we all may disagree, they've shown that they're willing and ready to roll with Rundblad as their #7, too. Daley could be moved simply to free up cap space to get bridge deals done.
- roots_gamble

Fair enough, so hypothetically we trade Daley for picks, 10 games in TVR suffers a significant injury, according to Eli Svedberg struggles staying healthy, so

Keith Hammer
Gustafsson Seabrook
Rundblad Rozy

We're screwed besides Svedberg was struggling right before Keith came back so

Isn't this Kero's 10th game? Does that mean he's up for the season?

GO HOCKS!
- hocktock

That rule doesn't apply to Kero's situation (college free agent signee).

Fair enough, so hypothetically we trade Daley for picks, 10 games in TVR suffers a significant injury, according to Eli Svedberg struggles staying healthy, so

Keith Hammer
Gustafsson Seabrook
Rundblad Rozy

We're screwed besides Svedberg was struggling right before Keith came back so
- BetweenTheDots

Injuries happen and Daley is our 7th/8th best defenseman right now. This is not only about this year but also about Daley's cap hit for next season. StanBo cannot afford to pay a 7th Dman 3.5mil. If Daley was making league minimum or 1mil, this probably wouldn't even be discussed. Cant have Bickell AND Daley on the books and not contributing. Bickell is an immovable contract and Daley still may have some value around the NHL....

Injuries happen and Daley is our 7th/8th best defenseman right now. This is not only about this year but also about Daley's cap hit for next season. StanBo cannot afford to pay a 7th Dman 3.5mil. If Daley was making league minimum or 1mil, this probably wouldn't even be discussed. Cant have Bickell AND Daley on the books and not contributing. Bickell is an immovable contract and Daley still may have some value around the NHL....
- EnzoD

We agree to disagree to me he has potential value to the Hawks and significant value if he can pick this defense up, I sure hope the Hawks have more patience with him than this site does, they waited forever with Leddy and well he just never got it

Injuries happen and Daley is our 7th/8th best defenseman right now. This is not only about this year but also about Daley's cap hit for next season. StanBo cannot afford to pay a 7th Dman 3.5mil. If Daley was making league minimum or 1mil, this probably wouldn't even be discussed. Cant have Bickell AND Daley on the books and not contributing. Bickell is an immovable contract and Daley still may have some value around the NHL....
- EnzoD

Bickell for Ference? Both have 1 year left after this one. You guys save 1 million this year and next.

Fair enough, so hypothetically we trade Daley for picks, 10 games in TVR suffers a significant injury, according to Eli Svedberg struggles staying healthy, so

Keith Hammer
Gustafsson Seabrook
Rundblad Rozy

We're screwed besides Svedberg was struggling right before Keith came back so
- BetweenTheDots

If that's the worry then trade Daley for another 5-7 defenseman, i.e. Nick Holden in Colorado.

I think they're comfortable enough with what they've seen out of Gustafsson and Svedberg that they may see Daley as somewhat expendable. As much as we all may disagree, they've shown that they're willing and ready to roll with Rundblad as their #7, too. Daley could be moved simply to free up cap space to get bridge deals done.
- roots_gamble

As someone said yesterday. a 5-7 of Svedberg, Gustafsson, and the three-wheeled Jewel shopping cart known as "Rozy"? Yikes.

And Gustafsson might end up being a very, very good player, certainly has some talent. But there is NO SUBSTITUTE for experience, especially on an NHL blue line come playoff time.

Don't get me wrong. I like Gustafsson. But I like him as a #7 on this club this year. The same with Svedberg. Rozy? We don't know how much tread he has left on the tire, or how many lives he has left. Again, he is best cast as a 6-7. Rundblad? Ha.

If you're gonna move Daley out, fine. But you better get a reasonable NHL-experienced NHL blue liner back, either in that deal or by other means.

You CANNOt assume that the top 4, especially minus Oduya, even with the great TVR in it, can duplicate what it did in the last two rounds in the playoffs in 2015.

OR, and I know it's now vogue in the Hawk blogosphere to say Daley is gone, if you are not sure you can fortify that blue lien in the above manner—maybe you keep Daley and keep working out the kinks. Because the Devil you know . . .

Bickell for Ference? Both have 1 year left after this one. You guys save 1 million this year and next.
- Ihatebrianburke

Man, Ference must be REALLY bad these days if you are trying to pawn him off for Bryan Bickell I don't watch the Oilers enough, but I'll pay close attention to Andrew tonight and get back to you on this tomorrow.

Yeah, JJ what's up with Tik not playing? You'd think Q would want him out there for his defensive abilities alone? And sign his mom if necessary to keep Panarin happy? Don't get it....
- Kewl1

Dunno, honestly haven't heard

Mash is in because q knows we need someone physical nobody really hits except shaw and garbutt. Seabrook has even stopped. With that being said mashinter hasn't played horribly but he better start showing more ie fight big check or scoring because at times he looks lost out there but he's good on the forcheck and on the boards.

Tik isn't getting discouraged is he? I'm not sure what Qs problem is with him. He works hard. Took a bad penalty I think. Q has his favs sometimes.
- hocktock

No,I don't think he's discouraged.

If that's the worry then trade Daley for another 5-7 defenseman, i.e. Nick Holden in Colorado.
- DarthKane

Not to pick on you Darth, but here's where this logic is flawed.

Trevor Daley didn't just get promoted form Rochester. This is a guy who has been a pretty good, albeit somewhat one-dimensional, defenseman in the NHL for ten years. Clearly, he is struggling with his role in Chicago and the system expectations.

Why would Holden or player X be any different?

Sure they may/could deal for a guy who will fit right in and go. But evidence suggests it takes time for some guys (Oduya, Daley).

Point being, just "trade Daley" doesn't necessarily solve anything.

Per Mashinter: Could it be as simple as...Hawks are on a little winning streak and Q doesn't want to upset the apple cart? Q seems to like to ride the wave until forced not to.

Per Mashinter: Could it be as simple as...Hawks are on a little winning streak and Q doesn't want to upset the apple cart? Q seems to like to ride the wave until forced not to.
- CanOCorn

It's possible.

Not to pick on you Darth, but here's where this logic is flawed.

Trevor Daley didn't just get promoted form Rochester. This is a guy who has been a pretty good, albeit somewhat one-dimensional, defenseman in the NHL for ten years. Clearly, he is struggling with his role in Chicago and the system expectations.

Why would Holden or player X be any different?

Sure they may/could deal for a guy who will fit right in and go. But evidence suggests it takes time for some guys (Oduya, Daley).

Point being, just "trade Daley" doesn't necessarily solve anything.
- John Jaeckel

Salary Cap Flexibility, depending on the trade. Maybe a precursor to a larger deal? I want Daley to succeed as much as the next Hawks' fan. I think his offense will come but his overall defensive abilities are not there. He is not physical, does not have good gap control, doesn't protect the crease and doesn't win many board battles. He will always be a liability defensively, problem is, he isn't providing much/any offensive output to balance things....

As someone said yesterday. a 5-7 of Svedberg, Gustafsson, and the three-wheeled Jewel shopping cart known as "Rozy"? Yikes.

And Gustafsson might end up being a very, very good player, certainly has some talent. But there is NO SUBSTITUTE for experience, especially on an NHL blue line come playoff time.

Don't get me wrong. I like Gustafsson. But I like him as a #7 on this club this year. The same with Svedberg. Rozy? We don't know how much tread he has left on the tire, or how many lives he has left. Again, he is best cast as a 6-7. Rundblad? Ha.

If you're gonna move Daley out, fine. But you better get a reasonable NHL-experienced NHL blue liner back, either in that deal or by other means.

You CANNOt assume that the top 4, especially minus Oduya, even with the great TVR in it, can duplicate what it did in the last two rounds in the playoffs in 2015.

OR, and I know it's now vogue in the Hawk blogosphere to say Daley is gone, if you are not sure you can fortify that blue lien in the above manner—maybe you keep Daley and keep working out the kinks. Because the Devil you know . . .
- John Jaeckel

I agree in that they should get something in return in terms of an NHL caliber D man that can fit their system, I just don't know if they see it that way. They've tried time and time again to push this Rundblad thing and I don't know if they'll ever be able to give up on it. Do I agree with it? Absolutely not. But, from my point of view, they seem intent on him being a part of their roster for some reason.

I just don't see Daley being able to break his 10 year old habits. I'm by no means a keen hockey eye, but from what I can tell I haven't seen much progress from him on the defensive end. And considering he's 0 goals and 3 assists in 18 games his supposed offensive upside isn't really producing much, either. For as much as he jumps into the offensive zone I would expect more. Hell, Gustafsson has as many points in 1/3 as many games.

Not to pick on you Darth, but here's where this logic is flawed.

Trevor Daley didn't just get promoted form Rochester. This is a guy who has been a pretty good, albeit somewhat one-dimensional, defenseman in the NHL for ten years. Clearly, he is struggling with his role in Chicago and the system expectations.

Why would Holden or player X be any different?

Sure they may/could deal for a guy who will fit right in and go. But evidence suggests it takes time for some guys (Oduya, Daley).

Point being, just "trade Daley" doesn't necessarily solve anything.
- John Jaeckel

And if one day the defense does click for him and instead of thinking he's playing hockey his offensive talents will just ooze out of him and he'll help the transition game a great deal when he's on the ice but for now too much thinking going on

Tik isn't getting discouraged is he? I'm not sure what Qs problem is with him. He works hard. Took a bad penalty I think. Q has his favs sometimes.
- hocktock

Subconscious bitterness about the Soviet hockey dominance in the 70's-80's and Tik's grandfather with whom he shares a name?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...khawks-second-round-pick/

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/trevor-daley-trade-asking-price-ottawa-senators-defenceman-chicago-blackhawks-second-round-pick/
- PFD_Hawks

Sharpie with 15 points already

As someone said yesterday. a 5-7 of Svedberg, Gustafsson, and the three-wheeled Jewel shopping cart known as "Rozy"? Yikes.

And Gustafsson might end up being a very, very good player, certainly has some talent. But there is NO SUBSTITUTE for experience, especially on an NHL blue line come playoff time.

Don't get me wrong. I like Gustafsson. But I like him as a #7 on this club this year. The same with Svedberg. Rozy? We don't know how much tread he has left on the tire, or how many lives he has left. Again, he is best cast as a 6-7. Rundblad? Ha.

If you're gonna move Daley out, fine. But you better get a reasonable NHL-experienced NHL blue liner back, either in that deal or by other means.

You CANNOt assume that the top 4, especially minus Oduya, even with the great TVR in it, can duplicate what it did in the last two rounds in the playoffs in 2015.

OR, and I know it's now vogue in the Hawk blogosphere to say Daley is gone, if you are not sure you can fortify that blue lien in the above manner—maybe you keep Daley and keep working out the kinks. Because the Devil you know . . .
- John Jaeckel

I like Rozy/Gustaffson as 6/7. Gives Rozy some rest at times, let's Q pick and choose which games to expose Gustaffson, which to need the vet. Will help Gustaffson develop, will protect Rozy, good all around.