Also, O'Reilly has come crashing back to earth offensively. That goal is the only point I think he's had in 5 or 6 games.

This team could use another legitimate point producer.
- sbroads24

It's supposed to be Kane (I know, I know...)

It's supposed to be Kane (I know, I know...)
- buffalofan19

I'm not sure it is supposed to be though.

His career average is slightly under 50 points per season.

Factor in time missed and he averages about 40 points a year.

Granted that should go up playing with someone like Eichel, but I'm not sure they have the best chemistry.

In all honesty, Evander Kane is a great 2nd line power forward to have. Not a top line option on a cup team IMO.

We could use a guy like Jeff Carter, Rick Nash, Hossa etc who you can count on for 30 goals and 60+ points. Obviously those players aren't easily acquired

That's not a knock on Kane either, but I think that we have a lot of players that play a certain style, and in the end we might need someone that finishes on a more consistent basis.

We have streaky goal scorers

I'm not sure it is supposed to be though.

His career average is slightly under 50 points per season.

Factor in time missed and he averages about 40 points a year.

Granted that should go up playing with someone like Eichel, but I'm not sure they have the best chemistry.

In all honesty, Evander Kane is a great 2nd line power forward to have. Not a top line option on a cup team IMO.

We could use a guy like Jeff Carter, Rick Nash, Hossa etc who you can count on for 30 goals and 60+ points. Obviously those players aren't easily acquired
- sbroads24

Let's look a little deeper on Kane's numbers. In 11/12 he played 74 games and scored 30 goals and 57 points. Project that over a full season (8 more games) and he's around 65 points. In the lockout shortened 12/13 season, in 48 games he scored 17 goals and 33 points. Again, project those numbers over a full season and you'll get 30 goals and 55 points. In 13/14 he played 63 games and got 19 goals and 41 points. Projecting that roughly over a full season and he's in the 25 goal range and 55 points.

All of these numbers presented to me don't see a 40 point on average. Also consider the fact that how good the Thrashers/Jets were during those years. Evander Kane with these numbers if he played in the 70's or 80's and he'd be a 40 goal scorer. Just trying to give a different view of it.

I get you hate the idea Myers was traded for a guy that isn't gonna score 40 goals to make you happy about this trade but I see Evander Kane on this team as a 25-30 goal scorer based on potentially better linemates and his past history. He might never play a full 82 game season but he trends in a positive direction.

Let's look a little deeper on Kane's numbers. In 11/12 he played 74 games and scored 30 goals and 57 points. Project that over a full season (8 more games) and he's around 65 points. In the lockout shortened 12/13 season, in 48 games he scored 17 goals and 33 points. Again, project those numbers over a full season and you'll get 30 goals and 55 points. In 13/14 he played 63 games and got 19 goals and 41 points. Projecting that roughly over a full season and he's in the 25 goal range and 55 points.

All of these numbers presented to me don't see a 40 point on average. Also consider the fact that how good the Thrashers/Jets were during those years. Evander Kane with these numbers if he played in the 70's or 80's and he'd be a 40 goal scorer. Just trying to give a different view of it.

I get you hate the idea Myers was traded for a guy that isn't gonna score 40 goals to make you happy about this trade but I see Evander Kane on this team as a 25-30 goal scorer based on potentially better linemates and his past history. He might never play a full 82 game season but he trends in a positive direction.
- mhp

Very few players in the league actually play all 82 games.

Very few players in the league actually play all 82 games.
- HonkFortheGoose

I'm just not as down on Kane as broads is. The fact is that both Bogo and Kane, based on their style of play will suffer injuries and frankly in today's diluted NHL if Kane got us 25 goals per with his injuries, I'm good with that. I was trying to point out based on his numbers where he would trend over a full season. Again, a different view point.

Let's look a little deeper on Kane's numbers. In 11/12 he played 74 games and scored 30 goals and 57 points. Project that over a full season (8 more games) and he's around 65 points. In the lockout shortened 12/13 season, in 48 games he scored 17 goals and 33 points. Again, project those numbers over a full season and you'll get 30 goals and 55 points. In 13/14 he played 63 games and got 19 goals and 41 points. Projecting that roughly over a full season and he's in the 25 goal range and 55 points.

All of these numbers presented to me don't see a 40 point on average. Also consider the fact that how good the Thrashers/Jets were during those years. Evander Kane with these numbers if he played in the 70's or 80's and he'd be a 40 goal scorer. Just trying to give a different view of it.

I get you hate the idea Myers was traded for a guy that isn't gonna score 40 goals to make you happy about this trade but I see Evander Kane on this team as a 25-30 goal scorer based on potentially better linemates and his past history. He might never play a full 82 game season but he trends in a positive direction.
- mhp

Again, it's not a knock on Kane, but I was never convinced he was a superstar anyways.

He wasn't on the top line in WPG half the time either, Andrew Ladd was. And I wouldn't call Ladd a great player.

Again, it's not a knock on Kane, but I was never convinced he was a superstar anyways.

He wasn't on the top line in WPG half the time either, Andrew Ladd was. And I wouldn't call Ladd a great player.
- sbroads24

I would agree, I don't see Kane as a superstar, nor do I Myers for that matter. Kane is a physical power forward that could bang in 20+ goals per. I'm fine with that.

I'm just not as down on Kane as broads is. The fact is that both Bogo and Kane, based on their style of play will suffer injuries and frankly in today's diluted NHL if Kane got us 25 goals per with his injuries, I'm good with that.
- mhp

He has done this once in 6 seasons. Probably would have done it once more with the lockout.

Forwards actually regress in scoring after the age of 25. I'm not sure we can count on 25-30 goals at all.

I would agree, I don't see Kane as a superstar, nor do I Myers for that matter. Kane is a physical power forward that could bang in 20+ goals per. I'm fine with that.
- mhp

Trust me, as much as I think Myers is a solid #2 defensemen, I do not think he's near a superstar.

He has done this once in 6 seasons. Probably would have done it once more with the lockout.

Forwards actually regress in scoring after the age of 25. I'm not sure we can count on 25-30 goals at all.
- sbroads24

He has done this once in 6 seasons. Probably would have done it once more with the lockout.

Forwards actually regress in scoring after the age of 25. I'm not sure we can count on 25-30 goals at all.
- sbroads24

Where are you seeing this? I feel like most guys are really just starting to break into the league at like 24-25. How can the be regressing in scoring if they haven't even been in the league?

I heard a rumor that Rex Ryan's brother put in for a job with the Bills as a hot dog vendor.

Where are you seeing this? I feel like most guys are really just starting to break into the league at like 24-25. How can the be regressing in scoring if they haven't even been in the league?
- HonkFortheGoose

Iggy's best goal scoring season was 30


I looked up 10 other guys, only perry had his best season around 25

John Scott had his best goal scoring season last year at the age of 32

Also, O'Reilly has come crashing back to earth offensively. That goal is the only point I think he's had in 5 or 6 games.

This team could use another legitimate point producer.
- sbroads24

He wasnt going to keep up that 14% shooting percentage, this shouldnt be a suprise.

I heard a rumor that Rex Ryan's brother put in for a job with the Bills as a hot dog vendor.
- homiedclown

I heard he was turned down for fear he would eat them all.

Iggy's best goal scoring season was 30


I looked up 10 other guys, only perry had his best season around 25
- homiedclown

I'm not saying he's wrong, it just seems like it would be odd, based on the fact that most guys get drafted at 18, play a few more years in Jr/College (18-21), and then most likely go to the AHL for a few years. Some dont' spend as much time in certain places, but that general progression takes guys to the age of around 23-24.

I'm not saying he's wrong, it just seems like it would be odd, based on the fact that most guys get drafted at 18, play a few more years in Jr/College (18-21), and then most likely go to the AHL for a few years. Some dont' spend as much time in certain places, but that general progression takes guys to the age of around 23-24.
- HonkFortheGoose

based on his logic, turris peaked last year with 64 points

I'm not saying he's wrong, it just seems like it would be odd, based on the fact that most guys get drafted at 18, play a few more years in Jr/College (18-21), and then most likely go to the AHL for a few years. Some dont' spend as much time in certain places, but that general progression takes guys to the age of around 23-24.
- HonkFortheGoose

There are outliers, but most players produce the most around 22-25 years old.

I'm not saying Kane is going to all of the sudden start scoring 10-15 goals, but I don't think he's all of the sudden start scoring 30+ consistently

Iggy's best goal scoring season was 30


I looked up 10 other guys, only perry had his best season around 25
- homiedclown

I think hes messing up a few facts there, I believe there is data out there (too lazy to go find it) that forwards start to regress after 28...had more to around Crosby as gretzky, lemiuex, etc...guys that franchises were built around, didnt win a cup after 28 years old

Alfredsson peaked at 33 years old

Steen at 29, could surpass that season soon

the system they are in, and line mates IMO determine their success a lot more than their age, when your taking about a player 22-32 years old

based on his logic, turris peaked last year with 64 points
- homiedclown

It's not logic, it's fact
http://nerdhockey.com/by-...n-do-nhl-forwards-regress

"The meat of NHL players seem to fall within ages 21-29, with a nearly normal distribution on the frequency, peaking at age 25. Which may lead you to argue that a player doesn't hit their prime at age 27, but may in fact already be on the downswing of his career. Prime seems to be more from the ages of 23-26."

Facts have no place here

It's not logic, it's fact
http://nerdhockey.com/by-...n-do-nhl-forwards-regress

"The meat of NHL players seem to fall within ages 21-29, with a nearly normal distribution on the frequency, peaking at age 25. Which may lead you to argue that a player doesn't hit their prime at age 27, but may in fact already be on the downswing of his career. Prime seems to be more from the ages of 23-26."

Facts have no place here
- sbroads24

There are outliers, but most players produce the most around 22-25 years old.

I'm not saying Kane is going to all of the sudden start scoring 10-15 goals, but I don't think he's all of the sudden start scoring 30+ consistently
- sbroads24

But where are you basing this off of? Where are you seeing that's the case? Especially since the majority of players don't even enter the league until closer to 25? yes, there are the guys that come in at 18, but there's far fewer of them than the other way around.