It's not logic, it's fact
http://nerdhockey.com/by-...n-do-nhl-forwards-regress

"The meat of NHL players seem to fall within ages 21-29, with a nearly normal distribution on the frequency, peaking at age 25. Which may lead you to argue that a player doesn't hit their prime at age 27, but may in fact already be on the downswing of his career. Prime seems to be more from the ages of 23-26."

Facts have no place here
- sbroads24

Of course it's going to say that. 25 falls right in the middle of ages 21-29. That's just simple math based on the sample size.

You can twist any stat around to support your theory if you segregate certain information.

But where are you basing this off of? Where are you seeing that's the case? Especially since the majority of players don't even enter the league until closer to 25? yes, there are the guys that come in at 18, but there's far fewer of them than the other way around.
- HonkFortheGoose

Kane was one of them wasn't he? he was full time by 19 years old

Kane was one of them wasn't he? he was full time by 19 years old
- sbroads24

So Pat Kane and Toews are going to produce less this year as well? Because Kane is currently killing it.

Of course it's going to say that. 25 falls right in the middle of ages 21-29. That's just simple math based on the sample size.

You can twist any stat around to support your theory if you segregate certain information.
- HonkFortheGoose

Read the article if you think I'm twisting information.

Kane was one of them wasn't he? he was full time by 19 years old
- sbroads24

1. All forwards are inconsitent scorers. There is no true consistent scorer outside of maybe Stamkos, P. Kane, & OV

2. E. Kane I assume is still shooting high and wide? Its bc of uses that stupid stick of his, longer than normal for a forward so he can get more snap on his shot. Its a heavy shot but not accurate.

I think hes messing up a few facts there, I believe there is data out there (too lazy to go find it) that forwards start to regress after 28...had more to around Crosby as gretzky, lemiuex, etc...guys that franchises were built around, didnt win a cup after 28 years old
- DDM-Coga

brad richards best year was at 30, stat wise
nash scored his most goals ever last year at 30
D sedin best year 29
H sedin best year 29



I have looked at 60 or so, aside from yzerman and mats sundin, his theory is way off, in fact the outliers are yzerman, not the norm

Kane is on the ice this morning? Ok! (dont think that means he plays soon, but I like hearing him progressing)

Kane is on the ice this morning? Ok! (dont think that means he plays soon, but I like hearing him progressing)
- Lilroot9

Saw that too... good to see he is testing out the knee already. Might do a few practices a week for a week or two to get conditioning in line for some no contact drills.

brad richards best year was at 30, stat wise
nash scored his most goals ever last year at 30
D sedin best year 29
H sedin best year 29



I have looked at 60 or so, aside from yzerman and mats sundin, his theory is way off, in fact the outliers are yzerman, not the norm
- homiedclown

Sakic tossed up a 100 points as a 37 year old.

Of course it's going to say that. 25 falls right in the middle of ages 21-29. That's just simple math based on the sample size.

You can twist any stat around to support your theory if you segregate certain information.
- HonkFortheGoose

numbers are so easy to manipulate

I looked at 60 or so players, looks like they peak around 28, on average


again line mates, pp production, minutes on ice IMO has more to do with production then their age, when your talking about a player 22-32 years old

Sakic tossed up a 100 points as a 37 year old.
- DDM-Coga

Sakic is a HIGHLY underrated player of all time. I think he is one of the best to play the game... PERIOD.

brad richards best year was at 30, stat wise
nash scored his most goals ever last year at 30
D sedin best year 29
H sedin best year 29



I have looked at 60 or so, aside from yzerman and mats sundin, his theory is way off, in fact the outliers are yzerman, not the norm
- homiedclown

your first mistake is comparing Kane to Hall of fame caliber players.

They are outliers, not the normal.

Read the article, the average top 9 player peaks at 25

Sakic tossed up a 100 points as a 37 year old.
- DDM-Coga

How have our boys Grigo and Zads been doing??

Saw Zads got sent down to be a top pairing guy. A smart movie rather than a 3rd pairing this year.

Haven't heard squat about Grigo

Sakic tossed up a 100 points as a 37 year old.
- DDM-Coga

Dave Andreychuk got 54 goals at 30
53 goals at 31

by far his best production

Sakic is a HIGHLY underrated player of all time. I think he is one of the best to play the game... PERIOD.
- JVince11

damn rights he was. Just he had Yzerman and Modano at the same time as him, so really split up the fan base of who was your fav...really could only be a fan of 1 of them

numbers are so easy to manipulate

I looked at 60 or so players, looks like they peak around 28, on average


again line mates, pp production, minutes on ice IMO has more to do with production then their age, when your talking about a player 22-32 years old
- homiedclown

No one is saying it's impossible for Kane to have a career year at 29 or 30.

The point is its unlikely for him to consistently do that after 25 years old.

How have our boys Grigo and Zads been doing??

Saw Zads got sent down to be a top pairing guy. A smart movie rather than a 3rd pairing this year.

Haven't heard squat about Grigo
- JVince11

Grigo is on the top line with Mack and Dutch..1st game 3pts, 1g 2as. Hes been solid this season...worked his way up the line up with hard work and good play

your first mistake is comparing Kane to Hall of fame caliber players.

They are outliers, not the normal.

Read the article, the average top 9 player peaks at 25
- sbroads24

WHEN DID I TALK ABOUT KANE??????????



honestly, if I had 100 hours to kill, I could write an article with charts and all kinds of poop, and then people would be saying the peak starts at 28

your first mistake is comparing Kane to Hall of fame caliber players.

They are outliers, not the normal.

Read the article, the average top 9 player peaks at 25
- sbroads24

That's the problem right there. Your typical scorers are in your top 6, not your top 9. Yes, you look to the 3rd line for some production, but the dropoff between line 1 and 3 should (on a playoff caliber team) be fairly considerable.

I'm not saying that the information is completely wrong. It just seems like the basis of the data is slightly compromised. Instead of looking at the NHL as a whole, it segregated a certain age group and then segregated that group again based on what line they play on.

I feel like for it to be fully accurate, you either need to segregate out the "scorers," so your top 6, or use the full scope.

Plus, you're taking out defense this way as well.

I don't know. I just don't like it. It seems very convoluted the more I think about it.

No one is saying it's impossible for Kane to have a career year at 29 or 30.

The point is its unlikely for him to consistently do that after 25 years old.
- sbroads24

based on an article


why was Peter Forsberg just as productive at 30 then he was at 25?

Grigo is on the top line with Mack and Dutch..1st game 3pts, 1g 2as. Hes been solid this season...worked his way up the line up with hard work and good play
- DDM-Coga

SERIOUSLY!? Grigo is on the top line?? And got there by hard work and good play?


Is it story time or something? Whoa.

based on an article


why was Peter Forsberg just as productive at 30 then he was at 25?
- homiedclown

Because he was a superstar. Evander Kane is not

He when was Thomas Vanek's best year?

Sakic is a HIGHLY underrated player of all time. I think he is one of the best to play the game... PERIOD.
- JVince11

Agreed

Henrik Zetterberg had 87 points in the nhl for 140 game when he was 25 years old

after he peaked, he has already put up 716 points and been over a point per game player

Because he was a superstar. Evander Kane is not

He when was Thomas Vanek's best year?
- sbroads24

Basically what that article says, is that guys peak in their 20s. Well no poop.....

I would have never guessed....