Well, if Weber took a poop... I can see that distracting Reimer.


Mentally weak.
- Feeling Glucky?

Thats ok. I swear on the 'nucks radio broadcast tonight they said "Elder left a soft dump in the corner."

1st

Start Bernier!

With no equipment
- .HOHO.

question is - would equipment really make any difference?
on shots from center ice?
"unmanageable" bounces off the end boards
brain cramps

Thats ok. I swear on the 'nucks radio broadcast tonight they said "Elder left a soft dump in the corner."
- Beatle_john

if its Vancouver - the soft portion is redundant.

I told you guys Bernier was the second coming of Raycroft and i told you guys that the Leafs wouldn't be as bad as everybody thought.
Time to dream about something other than Mathews.
- the_eye

why - Leafs are OBVIOUSLY winning the draft lottery...

or Edmonton will and pick a defenseman.

oh and what about the rest of the games that gives him a sub 900 save percentage
- the_eye

stop bringing facts into this spousal blindness influenced argument.

the big big BIG question... is that now that lil Jonny has returned from his broken (whatever)... but says himself (covering his own ass again) that he's not really 100%...

1) does Babboner stick him in net and achieve total team Buzzkill?
2) does Babboner make the sensible and honorable decision to play Reimer because he's giving the team a chance to win?
3) when Bernier poops the bed - and he will (of course it won't be his fault) does Babboner have the cahones to replace him Optimus (yes we have to bring back the nick-name)?

Babcock managed Marazec and Howard last year quite nicely. No reason to believe he can't manage to make the right choice about goalies in Toronto.

Even though we all KNOW that lil Jonny is far far superior - because the stats say so (APPARENTLY) - just ignore that whole win-loss and arrogant wienerhead/nice guy thing.

stop bringing facts into this spousal blindness influenced argument.

the big big BIG question... is that now that lil Jonny has returned from his broken (whatever)... but says himself (covering his own ass again) that he's not really 100%...

1) does Babboner stick him in net and achieve total team Buzzkill?
2) does Babboner make the sensible and honorable decision to play Reimer because he's giving the team a chance to win?
3) when Bernier poops the bed - and he will (of course it won't be his fault) does Babboner have the cahones to replace him Optimus (yes we have to bring back the nick-name)?

Babcock managed Mrazek and Howard last year quite nicely. No reason to believe he can't manage to make the right choice about goalies in Toronto.

Even though we all KNOW that lil Jonny is far far superior - because the stats say so (APPARENTLY) - just ignore that whole win-loss and arrogant wienerhead/nice guy thing.
- BorjeFan4Ever

A clown can manage two goalies who are really number 1s.

Also, corrected Mrazek's name.

I told you guys Bernier was the second coming of Raycroft and i told you guys that the Leafs wouldn't be as bad as everybody thought.
Time to dream about something other than Mathews.
- the_eye

The 3rd worst team got Mcdavid. And the odds are tougher now for the bottom-feeders. There was never a lock the 29th or 30th place team was getting Matthews.

And the Leafs ARE as bad as everyone said. They issue is they have the best coach in the entire NHL.

A clown can manage two goalies who are really number 1s.

Also, corrected Mrazek's name.

- Venom.

appreciate the spelling correction.

and yes of course anyone can manage two #1s - completely agree.

the problem is the Leafs have two guys who have only proven to date that they aren't #1s, one guy who's injury prone and one guy who is has a little too much confidence in himself.

I'll let you figure out who is who

The 3rd worst team got Mcdavid. And the odds are tougher now for the bottom-feeders. There was never a lock the 29th or 30th place team was getting Matthews.

And the Leafs ARE as bad as everyone said. They issue is they have the best coach in the entire NHL.
- RogerRoeper

The Leafs record is just about where everyone with half a brain figured it would be. The issue is that they haven't played as poorly as their overall record. And that other little problem - and this one is a fact (apologies sorry to the wounded spousal impersonators out there)
FACT: the same Leaf team has earned more points with which goalie in net?
FACT: the team has scored more with which goalie in net?
FACT: the post game interviews have been significantly more honest since which goalie got injured?
FACT: the team has only won games with which goalie in net?

OPINION QUESTION: one goalie has AT THIS POINT earned the net
OPINION QUESTION: which goalie has been given the net and more get of jail free cards than anyone known to man?
OPINION QUESTION: one goalie comes back from injury and says he's not really 100% - why would that goalie say that?
OPINION QUESTION: which goalie is overpaid by the largest sum?
OPINION QUESTION: which goalie gives the team the best chance to win?
OPINION QUESTION: if you want to tank - which goalie would you pick to play?
OPINION QUESTION: if you were Stamkos deciding on reasons why you wouldn't come to Toronto - which goalie are you more likely to refuse to play in front of(that's going to be tough one for the "spousally imposed blindness" crowd


zing

The Leafs record is just about where everyone with half a brain figured it would be. The issue is that they haven't played as poorly as their overall record. And that other little problem - and this one is a fact (apologies sorry to the wounded spousal impersonators out there)
FACT: the same Leaf team has earned more points with which goalie in net?
FACT: the team has scored more with which goalie in net?
FACT: the post game interviews have been significantly more honest since which goalie got injured?
FACT: the team has only won games with which goalie in net?

OPINION QUESTION: one goalie has AT THIS POINT earned the net
OPINION QUESTION: which goalie has been given the net and more get of jail free cards than anyone known to man?
OPINION QUESTION: one goalie comes back from injury and says he's not really 100% - why would that goalie say that?
OPINION QUESTION: which goalie is overpaid by the largest sum?
OPINION QUESTION: which goalie gives the team the best chance to win?
OPINION QUESTION: if you want to tank - which goalie would you pick to play?
OPINION QUESTION: if you were Stamkos deciding on reasons why you wouldn't come to Toronto - which goalie are you more likely to refuse to play in front of(that's going to be tough one for the "spousally imposed blindness" crowd


zing

- BorjeFan4Ever

Did you respond to the wrong comment? He didn't mention goalies once.

Also, I know you didn't necessarily say it, but in my head the take away from this is the Leafs will get Stamkos because of James Reimer.

The Leafs record is just about where everyone with half a brain figured it would be. The issue is that they haven't played as poorly as their overall record. And that other little problem - and this one is a fact (apologies sorry to the wounded spousal impersonators out there)
FACT: the same Leaf team has earned more points with which goalie in net?
FACT: the team has scored more with which goalie in net?
FACT: the post game interviews have been significantly more honest since which goalie got injured?
FACT: the team has only won games with which goalie in net?

OPINION QUESTION: one goalie has AT THIS POINT earned the net
OPINION QUESTION: which goalie has been given the net and more get of jail free cards than anyone known to man?
OPINION QUESTION: one goalie comes back from injury and says he's not really 100% - why would that goalie say that?
OPINION QUESTION: which goalie is overpaid by the largest sum?
OPINION QUESTION: which goalie gives the team the best chance to win?
OPINION QUESTION: if you want to tank - which goalie would you pick to play?
OPINION QUESTION: if you were Stamkos deciding on reasons why you wouldn't come to Toronto - which goalie are you more likely to refuse to play in front of(that's going to be tough one for the "spousally imposed blindness" crowd


zing

- BorjeFan4Ever

You're quite obsessed with goalies. I never actually mentioned anything about them.

I'm of the opinion the Leafs very well could get Stamkos regardless of record. For all the "He Wants To Play for a Contender" talk, Tampa is playing crap and apparently wants him to finish his career as a winger.

Did you respond to the wrong comment? He didn't mention goalies once.

Also, I know you didn't necessarily say it, but in my head the take away from this is the Leafs will get Stamkos because of James Reimer.
- walshyleafsfan

nah.. .not quite... more that they WON'T get Stamkos because of Bernier.

nah.. .not quite... more that they WON'T get Stamkos because of Bernier.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Maybe.

I don't think Reimer nor Bernier are major swinging points for Stamkos. I'm more worried he won't come because of Bozak.

You're quite obsessed with goalies. I never actually mentioned anything about them.

I'm of the opinion the Leafs very well could get Stamkos regardless of record. For all the "He Wants To Play for a Contender" talk, Tampa is playing crap and apparently wants him to finish his career as a winger.
- RogerRoeper

nah... I'm not obsessed with goalies at all...

I'm "possessed" by the unbelievable levels of stupidity (seemingly to me) that seem to surround some segments of the fan base to shield/protect/insulate lil Jonny Burner.

Classic Bernier - I'm back from injury so take me off the disabled list. But I want everyone to know I'm not 100%.

What - the hell is that? Either you are ready to play or you are not. Sounds or seem suspiciously like a guy who wants an excuse in his back pocket.

The reason that the previous management team had for going and getting a goalie was flawed. The reason for giving that guy the net was again flawed. The belief that he's a number 1 isn't flawed - that's belief - it just isn't supported any single set of facts. Note I'm to the "spousally blind crowd" - I'm not saying Reimer is a #1.
The fact that the current management team was undecided about him is in his contract - but they messed up huge (my opinion) by giving him 2 years on a show me contract.

Maybe.

I don't think Reimer nor Bernier are major swinging points for Stamkos. I'm more worried he won't come because of Bozak.
- walshyleafsfan

I'll go on the record as saying - I'm a Bozak fan... not a fanboy however. Is he miscast as a #1 center - certainly. Is he as bad a hockey player as some in LeafNation would have you belief... again no.

If Stamkos is not resiging in Tampa - there will be reasons for that.

If he decides he wants to go to Toronto - then Bozak being in Toronto won't be any issue.

As a comparison -who are the centers in Tampa? Filipula and Tyler Johnson... certainly not going to set the world on fire either. And to that end...which teams - I think it is relatively few - have large CAP room that they can use AND have a legitimate top 10 in the league center? or maybe Stamkos wants to go somewhere WHERE there isn't a #1 center - if you know what i mean.

I'll go on the record as saying - I'm a Bozak fan... not a fanboy however. Is he miscast as a #1 center - certainly. Is he as bad a hockey player as some in LeafNation would have you belief... again no.

If Stamkos is not resiging in Tampa - there will be reasons for that.

If he decides he wants to go to Toronto - then Bozak being in Toronto won't be any issue.

As a comparison -who are the centers in Tampa? Filipula and Tyler Johnson... certainly not going to set the world on fire either. And to that end...which teams - I think it is relatively few - have large CAP room that they can use AND have a legitimate top 10 in the league center? or maybe Stamkos wants to go somewhere WHERE there isn't a #1 center - if you know what i mean.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Yeah. I'm scared of the contract we may offer him, but whatcha gonna do. He'd be our best player by a country mile.

I do think, lost in all this, as you said with Bozak, they're people out there that are fans of Bernier, not fan boys. However, it seems like the only option among most here is you either hate Bernier or you're a fan boy

The starting rate for Stamkos is at least 11 million per for 7 years. If not 11.5-12 per.

At this point I have serious doubts he's returning to Tampa.

The starting rate for Stamkos is at least 11 million per for 7 years. If not 11.5-12 per.

At this point I have serious doubts he's returning to Tampa.
- RogerRoeper

Don't we really want the Leafs to offer that kind of money?

Justin williams.....loves taking goals away from ov.


He said he should be up for selke for shutting ov down so much, takes 2 goals away from him last couple games.

The starting rate for Stamkos is at least 11 million per for 7 years. If not 11.5-12 per.

At this point I have serious doubts he's returning to Tampa.
- RogerRoeper

I'd have a hard time believing that he - even egotistically would ask for more than Toews or Kane at this point. But yes I would think that there's a strategy that says yes offer him that kind of money.

Here's why.
1) if you believe you are overpaying by 1 or 2 million - but can get him at age 26 or whatever for that money (in his prime) then you take that chance - because - how many players of this caliber can you draft or get young enough to contribute?
2) virtually all the Leaf big contracts are done in another two years - except Phaneuf - so space
3) who's going to replace those guys - young cheap guys
4) who among the Leafs young guys are going to "get paid" - Rielly - that's it- when Nylander puts up 40 maybe? who else?
5) the cap will either go up in the coming two years - or the who deal will start to collapse (I say up because of expansion more than any other reason
6) if the Leafs pay Stamkos let's say 10 for 8 years or whatever - what is that going to do to the contracts for McDavid, the kid in Buffalo etc - which ultimately plays into the rich teams favor... it will lead to each team having an exceptional talent category of CAP exempt players... or similar. In short - it won't matter.

(frank)ing punch someone James.
- walshyleafsfan

Done

Yeah. I'm scared of the contract we may offer him, but whatcha gonna do. He'd be our best player by a country mile.

I do think, lost in all this, as you said with Bozak, they're people out there that are fans of Bernier, not fan boys. However, it seems like the only option among most here is you either hate Bernier or you're a fan boy
- walshyleafsfan

I have no issue with players being fans of players... heck we all know how loved in Toronto players like Domi, Tucker were - with less than stellar scoring stats - but intangibles.

But what ticks me off about the "spousal crowd" in the Bernier case - is the constant claim that "stats and facts" back up his "standing as a #1" over Reimer. Well that would be true - if it was true. And being a #1 has nothing to do with Reimer, Bernier has labeled himself as not being capable of being a #1 since he was first given GIVEN that identify by Randy Carlyle and Dave Nonis (who had to justify the trade).

You could argue that the Domi's and Tucker's of the world contribute in different ways. I have as of yet not heard one shred of evidence that would suggest that Bernier contributes anything - other than the odd good game here or there - the team for what ever reasons "seems" to play better in front of Reimer.

Meh, probably not...they'll go back to Bernier soon.
- annoyed

we can only hope ... because ...

a) tank is good
b) he'll crap the bed AGAIN
c) and we already know the excuse - he wasn't quite over his injury.

I hope they start playing holland more. No reason not to.

atta boy James