Here is a 6'4 goalie. Tell me there isn't an equipment size difference across the board.
- TheTrob

Blocker is around the same size, if not smaller now. Glove is smaller for sure. Leg pads are not that much different, just worn differently now. Maybe a little shorter but worn tight at the top of the leg as they needed to protect the knee, which is more protected with the new pads.

The chest protector is the obvious difference. I would be more than ok with slimming it down and not allowing a huge jersey that catches pucks if the chest protector would still protect sufficiently for 90+ mph shots.

I'm not railing against the light equipment. Just pointing out that you are allowing the athletic goalies to not only take advantage of lighter, but also bigger stuff.
- TheTrob

And I'm ok with that. I don't want to penalize a guy who is athletic I just don't want to give a less athletic guy an edge (bigger equipment).

Man, I'd much rather watch an athletic Broduer, Belfour, Tim Thomas, Dryden, Parent, Cheevers, Tony O, Tretiak, Turco, Rask, Price, Holtby type than a blocking style Bishop type.

In theory yes but what happened in the 3 years following the lockout??
I don't recall scoring exploding...

The fact is the game has evolved and kids are coached differently from a young age and the NCAA has been a way for players to get to the NHL. They coach the game to be played defense first...

Plus the most understated person in a franchise in the public eye's is the video coach. But they are a huge part of everything, including analytics as is the case here. The video coach works about as much or more than the training staff...which is a bunch of hours. The players on playoff teams understand what it takes to limit scoring chances.
- Al

Before the lockout: about 2.6 GPG for several years.

After: up to 3.08 the first year back, then 2.9-3.0 for a couple of years.

Then - a gradual decline to the 2.6 level again, along with a dramatic decrease in penalties leading to PPs.

LOL go look at the guys in my first post...

I gotta think
Gabriel Landeskog

and if you mean centre,
Mika Zibanejad.


and Ryan Strome and big Sean Couturier are on opposite ends of the tools, but they too were always considered closer based on the skill sets...
- wiz1901

You don't have to take the time to show me. What I said was IF I remember correctly McNeill was thought to be the most READY NHLer coming out of that draft. Not who had the highest ceiling or what hindsight has shown.

Hell, I could be wrong that it was even said, hence IIRC. Thought it was said during the draft telecast.

Here is a 6'4 goalie. Tell me there isn't an equipment size difference across the board.
- TheTrob

Great pic of big Ken.

There's an interview with Gretz where he talks about how most of his scoring records won't be broken simply because of the size or the goalie pads from his day compared to today. When you look back 20-30 years, goalies upper bodies were as big (maybe just slightly bulkier) than the Forwards and Defensemen. SO much room to shoot. Look at the gloves back then too, skinny and long. Today's are big and round.

Also, someone mentioned on here that chest protectors were smaller when you go back even further (40's-early 70's) because the sticks weren't curved and not many guys were lifting the puck. True. But also, a lot of the players shot low because they were so used to it from practice. Because few goalies had masks (none before the 60's), teams always shot low on their goalies in practice so that they didn't injure them by putting one up high and off the face/melon.

#Blackhawks lines:
Shaw-Toews-Hossa
Panarin-Anisimov-Kane
Dano-Kero-Teravainen
Desjardins-Kruger-Mashinter

My only issue Is I would scratch Des for Garbutt or Tiko.

And I'm ok with that. I don't want to penalize a guy who is athletic I just don't want to give a less athletic guy an edge (bigger equipment).

Man, I'd much rather watch an athletic Broduer, Belfour, Tim Thomas, Dryden, Parent, Cheevers, Tony O, Tretiak, Turco, Rask, Price, Holtby type than a blocking style Bishop type.
- Mr Ricochet

What, you didn't like the Dominator? Most entertaining and athletic goaltender of all time. With a catcher's facemask yet.

And give me a Billy Smith to watch any time too. Some of these guys who crash the net now like Brendan Gallagher would be in a wheelchair if Billy was still playing.

#Blackhawks lines:
Shaw-Toews-Hossa
Panarin-Anisimov-Kane
Dano-Kero-Teravainen
Desjardins-Kruger-Mashinter

My only issue Is I would scratch Des for Garbutt or Tiko.
- kmw4631

I think Mash might be up as a showcase. I don't know why. Just a feeling. I think there might be a trade coming.

Seems weird to have Garbutt, who has been one of the best Hawks thus far, a healthy scratch for the past few games.

#Blackhawks lines:
Shaw-Toews-Hossa
Panarin-Anisimov-Kane
Dano-Kero-Teravainen
Desjardins-Kruger-Mashinter

My only issue Is I would scratch Des for Garbutt or Tiko.
- kmw4631

Yeah whats up with Garbutt? Anyone know anything? Surely you'd sit Desjardins before him based on level of play recently....

What, you didn't like the Dominator? Most entertaining and athletic goaltender of all time. With a catcher's facemask yet.

And give me a Billy Smith to watch any time too. Some of these guys who crash the net now like Brendan Gallagher would be in a wheelchair if Billy was still playing.
- RickJ

Closest thing you'll get to a Billy Smith these days is Mike Smtih. I've seen him dish out a lot of hacks to the back of guys legs. Super dangerous. Not a fan of him, or his award winning injury performances.

Yeah whats up with Garbutt? Anyone know anything? Surely you'd sit Desjardins before him based on level of play recently....
- SimpleJack

Q said he was sick, maybe the flu or something...

What, you didn't like the Dominator? Most entertaining and athletic goaltender of all time. With a catcher's facemask yet.

And give me a Billy Smith to watch any time too. Some of these guys who crash the net now like Brendan Gallagher would be in a wheelchair if Billy was still playing.
- RickJ

Rick, if I had a son I would have forbid him to watch Hasek on the threat of me going to jail. This guy went against everything any goalie was taught since 1827 about the position, the first being NEVER ever drop your stick cuz it's the most important weapon to stopping pucks.

Yea he was something but if one tried to emulate anything in his game, although they do drop their sticks now, you would get lit up. Plus he was a Wing, so he'll be forever stained to me.

Favorite thing about him was his mask. Same one you or I wore off the shelf. My kinda guy. Hell these guys have more money in paint on their mask than I had in my whole bag. I can relate with Hasek that way.

Q said he was sick, maybe the flu or something...
- moots

ahhhhhh, so he IS sick....

I've been wondering that, because i thought i read it somewhere here but wasn't sure if it was official. But if Q said it, then he's obviously just sick, you'd have to think...

Rick, if I had a son I would have forbid him to watch Hasek on the threat of me going to jail. This guy went against everything any goalie was taught since 1827 about the position, the first being NEVER ever drop your stick cuz it's the most important weapon to stopping pucks.

Yea he was something but if one tried to emulate anything in his game, although they do drop their sticks now, you would get lit up. Plus he was a Wing, so he'll be forever stained to me.

Favorite thing about him was his mask. Same one you or I wore off the shelf. My kinda guy. Hell these guys have more money in paint on their mask than I had in my whole bag. I can relate with Hasek that way.
- Mr Ricochet

No rules in goaltending. It doesn't matter how you look or do it, just as long as you can be successful in stopping the puck.

Man, I've never been a fan of the helmet with cage look on goalies instead of the mask. I think it looks silly. Haha. Just can't vibe with it.

When I think of the Dominator, I think of the damage he did with the Sabres, not the Wings. Just can't like that he was on Detroit. Haha.

Closest thing you'll get to a Billy Smith these days is Mike Smtih. I've seen him dish out a lot of hacks to the back of guys legs. Super dangerous. Not a fan of him, or his award winning injury performances.
- Hank3Henshaw

I'm no Billy or Mike Smith fan either, but as was pointed out these dudes crash the net with no fear (instigator penalty). A goalie HAS to watch the puck and hold his ground/position, he can't brace for a hit or angle away from it like you can do in any other position in any other sport, while some goof his about the ram his head with a knee or hip at 20 MPH.

I'm no Billy or Mike Smith fan either, but as was pointed out these dudes crash the net with no fear (instigator penalty). A goalie HAS to watch the puck and hold his ground/position, he can't brace for a hit or angle away from it like you can do in any other position in any other sport, while some goof his about the ram his head with a knee or hip at 20 MPH.
- Mr Ricochet

That's true. Have you noticed that a lot od Defensemen aren't as abusive anymore with clearing guys out from in front of the net? The Hawks are a good example of a team that lets guys just post up and stand there completely untouched. Years ago, guys used to take some good beatings for being there.

No rules in goaltending.
- Hank3Henshaw

In my world there are, and they are the fundamentals. Your foundation. Stay up, stay square, be in balance, keep your stick flat, play low... Hasek missed that decade of development and was a freak who was able to stop pucks in ways no human did before or since.

Don't like the odds of emulating that style.

That's true. Have you noticed that a lot od Defensemen aren't as abusive anymore with clearing guys out from in front of the net? The Hawks are a good example of a team that lets guys just post up and stand there completely untouched. Years ago, guys used to take some good beatings for being there.
- Hank3Henshaw

Different way of coaching. Many, or some, coach to let the guy stand in front of your goalie instead of having the Dman engage him then you have TWO guys screening your goalie.

Plus, the Hawk way, they don't want you to engage so your stick and body aren't tied up and you can quickly move to a loose puck. Same as they teach with the stick check as opposed to the body check.

If you restricted the size of the goalie equipment to an absolute limit, instead of a limit that is proportional to the size of the goalie, then the average size of the goalie would shrink.

Also, why does the frontal profile of a goalie's leg pads need to extend 5 inches beyond the width of the goalie's shin? The goalie could be safely protected with much thinner leg pads.
- Ogilthorpe2

FWIW, I wore 32 inch pads in Junior (1979) and 34 inch in college (1980). They protected legs. Pants were protection for thighs and midsection, but it hurt like heck to take a hard shot on a thigh pad.

It's either a reward for Mashinter, a bit of a wake up for the guys not producing, a motivator and message for guys in Rockford. Maybe all of the above. I think he is good "organizational depth", but really not an NHL caliber player.
- TheTrob

at the presser, Q used the phrase.."looking for some consistency"...Q translation the bottom six combos have SUCKED...

as has already been noted in this thread....

the zero club = tinkhonov, kruger, desi,

garbutt and shaw = 1 goal and 3 assists and they have gotten top 6 time...whoo hooo

kero, hartmann and hinostra = 1 goal and 1 assist

who sits tomorrow? my guess tinkhonov and kero or desi

Don't remind me.

We were going to lose him for nothing as he was going to become a UFA at year end and we already committed to Elliott as he was having a great year.

It was a mistake, but understandable as Bishop didn't show anything that he was going to be an NHL goalie until it was too late for the Blues.
- carcus

You and I will agree to disagree on that one

The video coaches that I have known (3 so far) put in ridiculous hours as do the people actually cleaning/moving the equipment around. Frankly, it's insane and you have to love the team/sport to do those jobs (not to mention have understanding families).
- stljam

Exactly without a doubt correct.

I still think to start if the trapper is made smaller scoring would increase .. I would also shrink the width of the chest protector to creat more room in the 6/7 holes.
Neither change would jeopardize the goalies safety.

I'm no Billy or Mike Smith fan either, but as was pointed out these dudes crash the net with no fear (instigator penalty). A goalie HAS to watch the puck and hold his ground/position, he can't brace for a hit or angle away from it like you can do in any other position in any other sport, while some goof his about the ram his head with a knee or hip at 20 MPH.
- Mr Ricochet

No steel spikes to hold the net in place. Forwards barrel in with limited fear of injury and the goaltender absorbs the collision.

After slimming down pants and jerseys, another thing I would do is make the crease much smaller but penalize any contact within the crease initiated by the forward. But if the goalie leaves his crease he is open for contact.

Yeah whats up with Garbutt? Anyone know anything? Surely you'd sit Desjardins before him based on level of play recently....
- SimpleJack

Q said he was sick but should be ready to go after getting in a practice or two.