Well played BINGO!
- j.boyd919

Thank you, sir.

Yes, yes it does.

You can't just look at one or two numbers and point at them as the end-all argument. Everything is contextual and the value in them is that facts are facts. If they don't match what you are seeing with your eyes, then figuring out WHY they don't match is where you'll get the benefit.

Teams don't employ advance stats guys to tell them which guys have good corsi and which don't. Any idiot with a computer can figure that out. They employ advanced stats guys to figure out why these numbers look the way they look. If you can do a better job of that than the other guy, it gives you an edge.
- BINGO!

Pens hired a fancy stat guy. So far the results has been the most unwatchable regular season games in the cap era.

Not saying there isn't any value in it, but I dont think its as high as some people believe it to be. I really dont think it takes fancy stats to tell anyone that Cole was not going to be a good top pairing Dman.

And to add to that, i dont think Fancy stats are solid factual based evaluations. A fancy can say Letang is playing bad, but does it take into consideration that he's playing 25+mins a night with a 3rd pairing journeyman that has often been a healthy scratch?
- sammy87

I had no idea that you earned the title journeyman after receiving a decently termed contract from your second ever team. Thanks for the update.

Pens hired a fancy stat guy. So far the results has been the most unwatchable regular season games in the cap era.

Not saying there isn't any value in it, but I dont think its as high as some people believe it to be. I really dont think it takes fancy stats to tell anyone that Cole was not going to be a good top pairing Dman.
- sammy87

The three players that we can assume were obtained as a result of our "fancy stat hire" are Bonino, Fehr, and Clendening. Clend is a stretch to be part of the fancy stat as he was a semi-throw in however.

So... Bonino and Fehr are what you can base the fancy stat guy off of... Complaints for those two?

edit: Forgot Cullen as person below me mentioned. So those three... complaints for them?

Pens hired a fancy stat guy. So far the results has been the most unwatchable regular season games in the cap era.

Not saying there isn't any value in it, but I dont think its as high as some people believe it to be. I really dont think it takes fancy stats to tell anyone that Cole was not going to be a good top pairing Dman.
- sammy87

There's only been two move since the advance stats' guy was hired that his input was theoretically needed on. You don't need advanced stats analysis to tell you that Kessel trade was a good idea. However, the Sutter trade had advanced stats analysis written all over it, as well as the Cullen signing. If the advanced stats guy had any say in swapping out Sutter for Bonino and Fehr and signing Cullen (which not everyone was onboard for) then I'd say he's doing his damn job. Those have been three of our best forwards this season.

The three players that we can assume were obtained as a result of our "fancy stat hire" are Bonino, Fehr, and Clendening. Clend is a stretch to be part of the fancy stat as he was a semi-throw in however.

So... Bonino and Fehr are what you can base the fancy stat guy off of... Complaints for those two?
- Guile

And Cullen. At the time both Cullen and Santorelli were available and got signed for the same price. Gotta imagine that both were looked at on advanced stats analysis before making a decision.

Pens hired a fancy stat guy. So far the results has been the most unwatchable regular season games in the cap era.

Not saying there isn't any value in it, but I dont think its as high as some people believe it to be. I really dont think it takes fancy stats to tell anyone that Cole was not going to be a good top pairing Dman.
- sammy87

Well, no, obviously. But it influences your decisions on players over the long term, rather than the day-to-day tweaks by the coaching staff with personnel you already have.

The three players that we can assume were obtained as a result of our "fancy stat hire" are Bonino, Fehr, and Clendening. Clend is a stretch to be part of the fancy stat as he was a semi-throw in however.

So... Bonino and Fehr are what you can base the fancy stat guy off of... Complaints for those two?

edit: Forgot Cullen as person below me mentioned. So those three... complaints for them?
- Guile

Can you confirm that those players were the results of a stat boy?

They all have been good pickups, not arguing that. But the product on the ice, and as much of the NHL is not that great anymore.

Well, no, obviously. But it influences your decisions on players over the long term, rather than the day-to-day tweaks by the coaching staff with personnel you already have.
- BINGO!

I know Hitchcock and Babcock claim to look at the analytics between periods for line matchups.

so how do you think a change of ice from the current one to the one other leagues outside of NA use would change the NHL?

Can you confirm that those players were the results of a stat boy?

They all have been good pickups, not arguing that. But the product on the ice, and as much of the NHL is not that great anymore.
- sammy87

I just fail to see why you're using the on-ice product to indite the advance stats guy. If the advance stats guy did anything he brought in Bonino, Fehr, and Cullen, and we don't even know for sure if he did that. He has nothing to do with the top 6 debacle or the defense.

I just fail to see why you're using the on-ice product to indite the advance stats guy. If the advance stats guy did anything he brought in Bonino, Fehr, and Cullen, and we don't even know for sure if he did that. He has nothing to do with the top 6 debacle or the defense.
- Victoro311

Im not blaming the product on him at all, Im just really curious what the actual impact is. Some coaches/GM's/Owners dont listen to stats at all, others do. IDK seems like common sense to me that if you shoot more, you have better chances of scoring, if you control possession, better breakouts etc....yeah be good at the basic things, you'll probably win more often.

I think the sarcasm font should be the default font on this site.

There is something going on with this team and has been for quite sometime ... last 6 years maybe. Underachieving with the roster and salaries of the top players by all standards. Even when overachieving in the regular season, they fall apart completely in the playoffs.

All the concussions, heart attacks, blood clots, and mumps taking their toll?
- chimpira

I think everything NOT in italics should be considered sarcasm!

ok question! if you could choose any ONE player to play with sid as wing who would you choose and then I mean who you would think best fit Sid so you don't go around choosing super stars just cuz to have one with sid. (that goes for you too ryan though I doubt you read this )? Can ofc be from another team. a top 3 would be awesome
- martox

Dylan Larkin (don't give a (frank) he plays where I put him - he's great!)
Kreider - he'll take the goalie out & Sid scores (someone get the dog off Mike Lange's lawn!!). those 3 would tear the oppositions hearts out.

The three players that we can assume were obtained as a result of our "fancy stat hire" are Bonino, Fehr, and Clendening. Clend is a stretch to be part of the fancy stat as he was a semi-throw in however.

So... Bonino and Fehr are what you can base the fancy stat guy off of... Complaints for those two?

edit: Forgot Cullen as person below me mentioned. So those three... complaints for them?
- Guile

How can you assume that? Bonino was a trade to get rid of Sutters cap hit & have replacement that can hold his own (now did Corsi tell you that?). It's disputable if he is a better player & if you believe everyone here Sutter was an anchor that scored goals that had bad stats. Dinger was a requested addition not a throw in from the instigator of the trade - I believe I have read that from a couple of different authors not on HB. Fehr - well big strong & handles himself & no idea about his stats which is unusual considering RW would have been blowing them up our arses if he had good Corsi - or I missed that blog?

I am interested to see what the analytical guy is saying. He would be saying wonderful things about Scudsmuffin considering his Corsi, do you agree?

How can you assume that? Bonino was a trade to get rid of Sutters cap hit & have replacement that can hold his own (now did Corsi tell you that?). It's disputable if he is a better player & if you believe everyone here Sutter was an anchor that scored goals that had bad stats. Dinger was a requested addition not a throw in from the instigator of the trade - I believe I have read that from a couple of different authors not on HB. Fehr - well big strong & handles himself & no idea about his stats which is unusual considering RW would have been blowing them up our arses if he had good Corsi - or I missed that blog?

I am interested to see what the analytical guy is saying. He would be saying wonderful things about Scudsmuffin considering his Corsi, do you agree?
- Aussiepenguin

No he wouldn't. He would look at Suds' history and ascertain that what he's doing right now is horribly unsustainable.

No he wouldn't. He would look at Suds' history and ascertain that what he's doing right now is horribly unsustainable.
- BINGO!

Would that history be before or after his Stanley cups?