he battled and blocked shots every night, how often can you say that for petro and bouwmeester? they battle but not as fierce and really do not block that many shots with their body.

you can hate jackman all you want, it's just an example of an overworked horse. He blocked shots with his body and took and gave the beatings back. throughout 82 games it wore him down. by the end of this season you will see that with the predators.

good defenseman, just do not let him touch the puck late in the year.
- BluesDroogie

Hmmm... Petro blocked 161 shots last year. Jackman blocked 126. When looking at average time on ice comparables, yes Jackman spent more blocking shots. Based on skill set, would you rather Petro spend more time blocking shots or Jackman?

How would he get fleeced?
- carcus

to me army has a history with the Blues getting screwed on trades. Teams know we need something and they have Army by the balls. I cannot recall all the trades that he has made, but we are the losers on most of them. he has a history of overpaying, maybe thats the Blues position as a team but we get screwed

Hmmm... Petro blocked 161 shots last year. Jackman blocked 126. When looking at average time on ice comparables, yes Jackman spent more blocking shots. Based on skill set, would you rather Petro spend more time blocking shots or Jackman?
- eggsegan

that is not comparing stick check as compared to body blocks. obviously i do not want Petro injured. I cringe when i see him block a shot with the body.

I AM a fan of Jackman. I did not want to see him leave.

but towards the end of the year he was playing horribly, every year.

overused and beaten up.

to me army has a history with the Blues getting screwed on trades. Teams know we need something and they have Army by the balls. I cannot recall all the trades that he has made, but we are the losers on most of them. he has a history of overpaying, maybe thats the Blues position as a team but we get screwed
- BluesDroogie

Who has him by the balls? Are you bullpooping us or is this one of tij's fake accounts?

He acquired Bouwmeester, Shattenkirk, Tarasenko, Brouwer, his fingerprints were on the Steen trade, he brought in Stastny, all without giving up any real top prospects. He has not been the best with goaltenders but that is a position that is largely unpredictable. They had good track records at the time and are still quality netminders.

anyone want to take a $100 bet? i put my money on at least two passes from jackman going to a blues player.
- BluemanGuruu

I don't know about that but I'll bet he ices the puck at least twice.

Rattie has had some good chances man. What stands out to me is the no goals. You can break that stat down any way you want and it's still no goals for a guy who is suppose to be a goal scorer. He should have been playing the last few games like they were game 7 of the cup finals but I wasn't seeing it.

to me army has a history with the Blues getting screwed on trades. Teams know we need something and they have Army by the balls. I cannot recall all the trades that he has made, but we are the losers on most of them. he has a history of overpaying, maybe thats the Blues position as a team but we get screwed
- BluesDroogie

I mean specifically with Rattie.

He isn't an NHL talent IMO. So if Rattie is traded, how do the Blues get fleeced?

I also don't see the history of getting screwed in trades. Some examples would be nice if you want to get into details.

Who has him by the balls? Are you bullpooping us or is this one of tij's fake accounts?

He acquired Bouwmeester, Shattenkirk, Tarasenko, Brouwer, his fingerprints were on the Steen trade, he brought in Stastny, all without giving up any real top prospects. He has not been the best with goaltenders but that is a position that is largely unpredictable. They had good track records at the time and are still quality netminders.
- fattyboubatty

overpaying for michalek, miller, (stastny was a free agent signing) great trade for the pick to draft Tarasenko. It just seems every year around the deadline Army trades away picks or something better for a rental.

Heck no this is not a fake account for tim, (frank) the dude

I mean specifically with Rattie.

He isn't an NHL talent IMO. So if Rattie is traded, how do the Blues get fleeced?

I also don't see the history of getting screwed in trades. Some examples would be nice if you want to get into details.
- carcus

Trading Rattie at this point could only help him. He will not get a fair shake here from Hitch. Fabbri took his spot and Rattie has been pushed down the chart. We would not get screwed in trading Rattie. He is basically useless to the Blues at this point.

Trades: Miller, ARMY DID NOT OVERPAY FOR Michalek, like i had posted otherwise. thought it was more than just Letunov, I can't give examples right now, i just know every trade deadline day i get worried.

Who has him by the balls? Are you bullpooping us or is this one of tij's fake accounts?

He acquired Bouwmeester, Shattenkirk, Tarasenko, Brouwer, his fingerprints were on the Steen trade, he brought in Stastny, all without giving up any real top prospects. He has not been the best with goaltenders but that is a position that is largely unpredictable. They had good track records at the time and are still quality netminders.
- fattyboubatty

Tarasenko was brought in by Armstrong???

overpaying for michalek, miller, (stastny was a free agent signing) great trade for the pick to draft Tarasenko. It just seems every year around the deadline Army trades away picks or something better for a rental.

Heck no this is not a fake account for tim, (frank) the dude
- BluesDroogie

Let's not forget all the 1st round picks he gave up for what? Ryan Miller, Halak, Bowmesiter, etc.

he battled and blocked shots every night, how often can you say that for petro and bouwmeester? they battle but not as fierce and really do not block that many shots with their body.

you can hate jackman all you want, it's just an example of an overworked horse. He blocked shots with his body and took and gave the beatings back. throughout 82 games it wore him down. by the end of this season you will see that with the predators.

good defenseman, just do not let him touch the puck late in the year.
- BluesDroogie

i do not hate jackman, in fact i like him a lot.

but the excuses you make for the guy are ridiculous. oh boy have a bruises and pain. seesh. i battled with real athletes and no one made excuses doing their jobs because when you failed someone died. hockey is not like that. but all the same i am not going to accept some multi millionaire coming up excuses. either you are too hurt to play or you just are not that good. jackman as much as i always hoped and wanted him to be was not that and is not that good.

perhaps i will see something different when he olays for the opposition tonight. i thought he made a hell of a come back on a career that was almost over some six to seven years ago. but he never managed to be what you hoped he would be. that does not make me hate a person. he battled hard and worked hard and i credit him for that. but that does not make him a good hockey player. decent for sure.

you want to take my bet? how about a four pack of ommegang for the winner of the bet? so good it only comes in four packs.

overpaying for michalek, miller, (stastny was a free agent signing) great trade for the pick to draft Tarasenko. It just seems every year around the deadline Army trades away picks or something better for a rental.

Heck no this is not a fake account for tim, (frank) the dude
- BluesDroogie

so not all losers then? even when i ant to bash him about bishop he still got real good value for a player without much nhl exprience or success. most netminders do not get good compensation. he also brought ott in and fo all our hemming and hawing every year in the play offs his game has been good and this year when they needed him he has stepped up.

he seems quite adapt at utilizing his strong scouting team and identifying talent and where it fits in on the team.

deadline deals can be gambles. michlek was good here and was the kind of guy that would have helped on a deep run. he traded a home run pick whose biggest knocks have been his skating and lack of weight. the kid is on fire in the ncaa thus far but is far from going to the pros.

he fleeced colorado. and he also realizes he has a responsibility to the game as a whole and that means you do not take all you can get and leave your neighbor poor.

all in all he has done a tremendous job. was the oshie trade good? ah the jury is still out on that one. oshie on the pp right now would be sweet. and it is not like brouwer is without his own problems in areas of the ice that are important.

if they are talking about adding a top six nger for real i think it speaks loudly to them thinking jaskin is not where they wanted him to be and that they are not putting all the weight on fabbri.

I mean specifically with Rattie.

He isn't an NHL talent IMO. So if Rattie is traded, how do the Blues get fleeced?

I also don't see the history of getting screwed in trades. Some examples would be nice if you want to get into details.
- carcus

he is an nhl talent. and they also knew he would take more time to develop. he is at the cusp right now. almost there but not quite there yet.

as much as i would hate to admit it removing perron from the team even for something that might not pay off was not a bad thing. he seems to remove players that have been most contentious with the coach and tried to do their own thing. that would include oshie. in the play offs he made a couple of terrible plays that cost th team dearly. all because he wanted to make moves in areas of the ice he should not be messing around with.


i hold out for rattie and magnus. i see things in them. i also see there is a bit of something missing. i think what i saw from magnus the other night a lot of what i assumed was missing seemed to be vanquished. he was not floating away from the net but driving to it. that is the big thing a lot of skill guys must do in the nhl. it takes exceptional talent to play on the outside and produce. amd even those guys who can always bring up questions.

Tarasenko was brought in by Armstrong???
- Trust In Jarmo

yes. and jarmo picked th kid that suffers in chicago his tenth nhl team. tongue in cheek.

i think the blues broke the hawks a bit. they sucked against nj.

Let's not forget all the 1st round picks he gave up for what? Ryan Miller, Halak, Bowmesiter, etc.
- Trust In Jarmo

I would use a Jarmo comparable but I honestly don't know if he will ever be in position to actually ADD an NHL player at the deadline.

And yes, DA traded David Rundblad for the pick used on Tarasenko.

Tarasenko was brought in by Armstrong???
- Trust In Jarmo

Armstrong deserves as much credit as Jarmo does, since Armstrong had something to do with the trade, while thinking Schwartz was the better player and selecting him over Tarasenko was all Jarmo.

yes. and jarmo picked th kid that suffers in chicago his tenth nhl team. tongue in cheek.
- BluemanGuruu

Give credit to Army! He recognized Jarmo's ability to find talent when he signed Havlat!

it will be strange to see him putting passes on the tape of blues players.

i hope he does not cross the line on any of our forwards as he is prone to do.

it will be strange nonetheless.
- BluemanGuruu

You didn't that way when he was your boy

i think the blues broke the hawks a bit. they sucked against nj.
- BluemanGuruu

So did your mom

I would use a Jarmo comparable but I honestly don't know if he will ever be in position to actually ADD an NHL player at the deadline.

And yes, DA traded David Rundblad for the pick used on Tarasenko.
- fattyboubatty

It's well documented that draft was weak. Jarmo tried trading back and couldn't. He selected best player available in Rundblad.

Jarmo was the one who wanted a second 1st round pIck late in that 2010 draft.


Because Jarmo loved Taresenko.

Too Much YELLOW!!!!

Hitch - are you convinced that Gomez has earned to be in this lineup more consistently? The guy can just flat make plays.

Hitch - are you convinced that Gomez has earned to be in this lineup more consistently? The guy can just flat make plays.
- stljam

How about that defensive play by Tarasenko?