Wouldn't that just be like buying out Briere to sign Vinny.

Staal's not young.
- Tomahawk

nor are his contract demands low, from what I hear

Mark Streit to Columbus for Kerby Rychel
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I'd flirt with Rychel.

One move I really wanted preseason was to trade Streit to EDM for Nikitin and picks. Taking on Nikitin's contract should help EDM and make the picks more valuable. Not surprised it didn't happen, but could be really attractive come TDL

This roster is worse than what Berube had at his disposal... maybe far worse depending on how much you value Coburn.

Hak's making some rookie mistakes, and the team is too poopty to bail him out.

But yeah, contract or no, they need to be patient w/ the coaching, the kids they've picked recently, and the kids in the lineup already. It's the only thing they haven't tried over the past 40-something years.

God help us if Uncle Ed pulls the plug on the plan.
- Tomahawk

I personally don't believe that in general, Snider does that. If anything, over the years, he's proven that he gives his hockey people carte blanche to do what they think is best.

If I am trading I want to look at a team like Anaheim. They are struggling now but they are expected to contend for a cup this year. Would they be willing to make a trade where they move a player like John Gibson and fowler to bing in players to help get them there. That would be my idea. Can you make a play for Gibson and theadore for some package with Simmonds b schenn, Luke schenn. Something like that.
- J35Bacher

Dunno, I'd stand pat and keep drafting and hope this is rock bottom.

Nope but I also don't automatically assume that means all prospects are ruined by playing on a bad team..
- opeth_pa

No it doesn't, but that still doesn't equate to hating Hextall's player development philosophy.

I would do that. I also wonder what a guy like Backes will want in off season. I think he is a FA this year. I have always liked him and think he would a be great winger on the top line. But again your probably paying big money and that doesn't work with some of the contracts already.
- J35Bacher

Do you honestly believe that a guy like Backes would make that much of a difference? Really, that's the last thing the Flyers should do at this juncture with where the team is at.

Dunno, I'd stand pat and keep drafting and hope this is rock bottom.
- Tomahawk

see I like Gibson. I think he is real deal. I hear fowler is available. What about if you made a deal and got fowler, Gibson and say pat maroon for Simmonds, both schenn and and hagg? I don't know. I think Anaheim might be more eager to make a move with guys like Perry and Getzlaf in their primes.

Not really sure what MDZ was doing on the 2-1 in OT either...Coots was a bit behind on the back check, but it did seem like MDZ could've been more aggressive on the shot. Just one of those where you have the feeling if it makes it on net it's going in somehow.
- YuenglingJagr

The lone player back job, is to prevent the pass on a 2 on 1. Goalie has the shooter.

Do you honestly believe that a guy like Backes would make that much of a difference? Really, that's the last thing the Flyers should do at this juncture with where the team is at.
- MJL

My last sentence said it probably doesn't work right now. If closer to contending yes. They are a soft team. They don't win board battles. And they could use a guy with his size and skills.but right now no because still too far away.

Yes I'm absolutely okay with that. It's not about how much they'll gain next year, it's about how much cap space they'll lose for 4 future seasons. What's more important, having cap space next year, or in future years when the team is hopefully ready to do something? If this team doesn't get it together soon , it will be two straight years out of the playoffs and it's time to blow it up and move the tradeable veterans and go with a youth movement with a sprinkling of vets. Cap space won't be an issue, and when they need it re-sign some young players, there won't be buyout money from Lecavalier still on the books.
- MJL

I am totally on board with do not buyout Vinny train. However, it is looking like the most likely option. I am 100% for retaining salary in trades over buyouts to reduce the years of dead money. Vinny situation is so bad though that we need to really look at it as money gained. His 4.5 is essentially dead money right now. The extra years are worth the savings to me, and he is the only player I feel this way about.

Hextall will have a several options during the offseason to resign guys under the cap, but his four most likely moves to solve the situation are:
1. trade Streit (probably at TDL)
2. trade AMac with significant retained salary
3. trade Umberger with retained salary (or buyout, but would prefer 50% retained)
4. buyout vinny (or miraculously trade him)

If 1 or 2 doesnt happen, I see 3 and 4 our only ways out. Umberger will be on the books for one last season. Similar guys are getting nearly league min contracts, so I think a trade is not all that likely. I envision Vinny getting bought out and he doesnt sign anywhere cause no one wants him

see I like Gibson. I think he is real deal. I hear fowler is available. What about if you made a deal and got fowler, Gibson and say pat maroon for Simmonds, both schenn and and hagg? I don't know. I think Anaheim might be more eager to make a move with guys like Perry and Getzlaf in their primes.
- J35Bacher

Only kind of trade I'm interested in right now would be a Leclair/Desjardins for Recchi kind of thing, where you're potentially filling multiple holes and not opening up any new ones.

The lone player back job, is to prevent the pass on a 2 on 1. Goalie has the shooter.
- MJL

Gee thanks. That's not what I said. I think he could've been more aggressive on the play instead of waiting until they basically back into Neuvirth. Coots was a step behind and didn't make up ground at all

Only kind of trade I'm interested in right now would be a Leclair/Desjardins for Recchi kind of thing, where you're potentially filling multiple holes and not opening up any new ones.
- Tomahawk

I would go big. Get nick Ritchie, fowler and Gibson.

I am totally on board with do not buyout Vinny train. However, it is looking like the most likely option. I am 100% for retaining salary in trades over buyouts to reduce the years of dead money. Vinny situation is so bad though that we need to really look at it as money gained. His 4.5 is essentially dead money right now. The extra years are worth the savings to me, and he is the only player I feel this way about.

Hextall will have a several options during the offseason to resign guys under the cap, but his four most likely moves to solve the situation are:
1. trade Streit (probably at TDL)
2. trade AMac with significant retained salary
3. trade Umberger with retained salary (or buyout, but would prefer 50% retained)
4. buyout vinny (or miraculously trade him)

If 1 or 2 doesnt happen, I see 3 and 4 our only ways out. Umberger will be on the books for one last season. Similar guys are getting nearly league min contracts, so I think a trade is not all that likely. I envision Vinny getting bought out and he doesnt sign anywhere cause no one wants him
- YuenglingJagr

Buying out Lecavalier makes zero sense. That's a move that a team that thinks it can contend makes. I don't buyout Umberger either. I ride it out next year, and they they're free and clear.

I would go big. Get nick Ritchie, fowler and Gibson.
- J35Bacher

So you wanna trade Giroux then?

Gee thanks. That's not what I said. I think he could've been more aggressive on the play instead of waiting until they basically back into Neuvirth. Coots was a step behind and didn't make up ground at all
- YuenglingJagr

You said that Del Zotto could've been more aggressive on the shot. The pass over was prevented.

Only kind of trade I'm interested in right now would be a Leclair/Desjardins for Recchi kind of thing, where you're potentially filling multiple holes and not opening up any new ones.
- Tomahawk

The only problem is, as you well know, nobody is trading a "Desjardins".

So you wanna trade Giroux then?
- Tomahawk

I don't think you would need to trade giroux for that and they couldn't fit his contract with Kessler, Perry, Getzlaf. But I wouldn't say no to reading giroux if someone offered a huge package. I think voracek is more valuable to the flyers.

The only problem is, as you well know, nobody is trading a "Desjardins".
- MJL

I hear fowler is available. He would very much interest me.

I hear fowler is available. He would very much interest me.
- J35Bacher

Did Eklund tell you that?

I hear fowler is available. He would very much interest me.
- J35Bacher

I'd be surprised if that was true. I'd be very interested also.

This roster is worse than what Berube had at his disposal... maybe far worse depending on how much you value Coburn.

Hak's making some rookie mistakes, and the team is too poopty to bail him out.

But yeah, contract or no, they need to be patient w/ the coaching, the kids they've picked recently, and the kids in the lineup already. It's the only thing they haven't tried over the past 40-something years.

God help us if Uncle Ed pulls the plug on the plan.
- Tomahawk

Yeah, pretty much. He's also at least trying different things on the back end too. I doubt Berube would have ever paired Del Zotto and Streit together. Patience is the best thing for this team and based on what I've read about Hakstol and defensemen, he might be the guy that can get the most out of Sanheim, Provorov, Ghost, et al.

Did Eklund tell you that?
- YuenglingJagr

No. I actually have my own people. I have some friends I worked with when I worked in Hershey.

You said that Del Zotto could've been more aggressive on the shot. The pass over was prevented.
- MJL

To be clear I was suggesting he be more aggressive in preventing the shot. There are ways to prevent the pass without backing up into your goalie. He moved into a very dangerous scoring area to take that shot. Hence the rebound. Could be a preference of Neuvirth I guess

Buying out Lecavalier makes zero sense. That's a move that a team that thinks it can contend makes. I don't buyout Umberger either. I ride it out next year, and they they're free and clear.
- MJL

So are you all in on trading Streit then? How else are you fitting everyone under the cap? I think buying out Lecavalier is a last resort, but disagree it makes zero sense.