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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Nov 6 @ 1:37 PM ET
You're probably right. We wouldn't want to ruin him like Detroit's ruining Dylan Larkin.
- Feanor

I agree in a way but I think k Larkin is different. He is physically mature. But I wouldn't mind seeing Konecny next season. But they have to move players then. I don't want to see him if he only gets 7 minutes a night. He is a kid that will need to be in top 6_9
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 6 @ 1:37 PM ET
This is the crossroads in this argument and it is clear it's not going any further. 916k in dead money for 2 years after Vinny's contract is well worth the money saved on the remainder of his deal and the roster spot he consumes.

You are arguing this from the perspective that the Flyers trade Read and Streit, which hasn't happened and is not guaranteed to happen. If they are traded, then yes the flyers don't need to buyout Vinny and shouldn't and this debate is completely pointless. When it comes to resigning Medvedev, Raffl, B Schenn, and Gagner as the team is currently constructed...buying out Vinny may be our best and only option. It is a last resort, but I think it would help the team much more than it would hurt.

- YuenglingJagr



Potential trades of Read and Streit is offered in rebuttal to the thought that the Flyers won't be able to field a team, unless they buyout Lecavalier, so buying him out is a necessity. That is false. Believe me, if this season continues to play out, some changes are going to be made. My argument is being made from one perspective only, that the long term future is more important than the now, or immediate future of next season. There is no situation that I perceive that would make buying out Lecavalier the best and only option.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 6 @ 1:39 PM ET
He's made over $100M
- PhillySportsGuy


I've earned well over $500K in my lifetime. I don't have $250K in my bank account.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 6 @ 1:43 PM ET
I've earned well over $500K in my lifetime. I don't have $250K in my bank account.
- jmatchett383

Opening line of divorced men's group.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 6 @ 1:47 PM ET
I've earned well over $500K in my lifetime. I don't have $250K in my bank account.
- jmatchett383



That's pretty funny. That's a shame though, I do!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 6 @ 1:47 PM ET
Opening line of divorced men's group.
- flyer_nutter


I just don't get how "He's earned a lot of money in his lifetime" translates to "He doesn't need any money."
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 6 @ 1:48 PM ET
That's pretty funny. That's a shame though, I do!
- MJL


Well, good for you.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 6 @ 1:51 PM ET
I just don't get how "He's earned a lot of money in his lifetime" translates to "He doesn't need any money."
- jmatchett383



It's not reasonable to suggest that Lecavalier, who has made over 100M, and will still be paid millions by TB, is set for life and doesn't have any money issues?
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 6 @ 1:52 PM ET
I just don't get how "He's earned a lot of money in his lifetime" translates to "He doesn't need any money."
- jmatchett383


Not a shot at you but pet peeve of mine.

How much money does someone need, not even talking about Vinny. (frank)ing greedy capitalist pig.
hrocks66
Location: climbing through the wreckage Of all my twisted dreams
Joined: 10.25.2014

Nov 6 @ 1:53 PM ET
i really hate to even post this but i will
does 916k really matter
when andrew macdonald is in the minors making this

YEAR BASE SALARY SIGNING BONUS CAP HIT
2014-15 $2,250,000 $2,000,000 - $5,000,000
2015-16 $2,500,000 $2,000,000 - $4,050,000
2016-17 $4,750,000 - - $5,000,000
2017-18 $5,250,000 - - $5,000,000
2018-19 $5,500,000 - - $5,000,000
2019-20 $5,750,000 - - $5,000,000
2020-21 Free Agent
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Nov 6 @ 1:53 PM ET
That's pretty funny. That's a shame though, I do!
- MJL

Hey, I have some college loans that need to be paid off starting soon, wanna help me out?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 6 @ 1:54 PM ET
Agree. I wonder if you could use Simmonds to get a player like rychel or Milano from the blue jackets. Also a guy like skinner intrigues me. Contract is tough but guy has skills. And Carolina seems to be looking to move guys out.
- J35Bacher


He really fell off after his rookie year, plus he has a concussion history. I would be very careful about $ and term with that guy.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 6 @ 1:55 PM ET
I just don't get how "He's earned a lot of money in his lifetime" translates to "He doesn't need any money."
- jmatchett383


It's clear that many here don't understand money and how to manage it.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 6 @ 1:55 PM ET
terrible quality but still worth it

http://tv.aftonbladet.se/abtv/articles/97417
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 6 @ 1:56 PM ET
It's not reasonable to suggest that Lecavalier, who has made over 100M, and will still be paid millions by TB, is set for life and doesn't have any money issues?
- MJL


Reasonable? Sure, but it's nowhere near a lock. Many folks, famous and regular Joes alike, do not know how to manage money.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 6 @ 1:57 PM ET
Konecny should be in junior again next season, and doing his time in the AHL the year after that.


- Tomahawk


I could definitely see both Konecny and Provorov, more so the latter, earning spots out of camp next year.

Konecny may be small, but he is pretty ripped and physically mature. It's just all relative with small guys. He's no Ghost or Gaudreau at that age, let's put it that way. I see no chance in hell he sees AHL time barring something dramatic happening. I don't even know if he will go back to juniors.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 6 @ 1:58 PM ET
Not a shot at you but pet peeve of mine.

How much money does someone need, not even talking about Vinny. (frank)ing greedy capitalist pig.

- flyer_nutter


It's really an irrelevant question.

The valid question for one to ask is "How much money do I need?" What anyone else needs is none of your* business or concern.

*Not you specifically, "you" in general
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 6 @ 1:58 PM ET
I just don't get how "He's earned a lot of money in his lifetime" translates to "He doesn't need any money."
- jmatchett383


Haha and they money that he is passing up wouldn't be helpful to his family so dear to him that he is retiring to spend time with them.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Nov 6 @ 1:58 PM ET
I just don't get how "He's earned a lot of money in his lifetime" translates to "He doesn't need any money."
- jmatchett383

He has enough to live a comfortable life on the interest from investments alone
100 million lifetime earned!
And continued income from the Tampa buyout



Guy never should have to work again unless he wants to
Not playing and getting scratched, why do it?



MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 6 @ 1:59 PM ET
Reasonable? Sure, but it's nowhere near a lock. Many folks, famous and regular Joes alike, do not know how to manage money.
- Scoob



Professional athletes tend to higher financial consultants that help them manage their money. While it's true, that some pro athletes who've made millions, have gone bankrupt, I have not seen any information that it might be the case with Lecavalier. I think it's safe to assume that he is very well off.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 6 @ 1:59 PM ET
It's really an irrelevant question.

The valid question for one to ask is "How much money do I need?" What anyone else needs is none of your* business or concern.

*Not you specifically, "you" in general

- Scoob

*none of your concern*

J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Nov 6 @ 2:03 PM ET
He really fell off after his rookie year, plus he has a concussion history. I would be very careful about $ and term with that guy.
- Scoob

Yeah and that makes me a little hesitant. I look and Montreal and could they use someone like Simmonds 's for playoffs. Could you get back a player like McCarron or thrower or DE LA rose or facale?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 6 @ 2:03 PM ET
It's not reasonable to suggest that Lecavalier, who has made over 100M, and will still be paid millions by TB, is set for life and doesn't have any money issues?
- MJL


It also doesn't seem reasonable that Jose Canseco would have money issues.
It also doesn't seem reasonable that Lenny Dykstra would have money issues.
It also doesn't seem reasonable that a whole host of NBA/NFL players (Iverson and TO come to mind) would have money issues.
It also doesn't seem reasonable the high-profile musicians such as TLC, David Crosby, and Wayne Newton would have money issues.
It also doesn't seem reasonable the star actors such as Brendan Fraser and Kim Basinger would have money issues.

Yet they all do despite being multi-millionaires at some point in their lives. I'm not privy to Mr. Lecavalier's bank account(s) and/or investments, so I don't know his financial situation.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 6 @ 2:05 PM ET
Professional athletes tend to higher financial consultants that help them manage their money. While it's true, that some pro athletes who've made millions, have gone bankrupt, I have not seen any information that it might be the case with Lecavalier. I think it's safe to assume that he is very well off.
- MJL


And any good adviser will be advising him to not walk away from millions. Of course the final decision is his, but I guarantee that's the financial advice he's being given.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 6 @ 2:05 PM ET
Just let Vinny play. We suck as it is. Let him play catch up with the nine other skaters while everyone points and laughs.
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