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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 1 @ 3:12 PM ET
austin mathews
- 2Real


Correct answer.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 1 @ 3:13 PM ET
austin mathews
- 2Real


Max Jones

Matthews is now out with a back injury
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 1 @ 3:21 PM ET
Max Jones
Edit: didn't realize that he was Brad Jones kid. Hope he has the old man's wheels but not his hands!

Matthews is now out with a back injury

- ob18

I also would have accepted:
Puljujarvi
Laine
Chychrun
Tkachuk
or
McLeod

All of the above would look very good in orange and black.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 1 @ 3:22 PM ET
I also would have accepted:
Puljujarvi
Laine
Chychrun
Tkachuk
or
McLeod

All of the above would look very good in orange and black.

- BiggE



So would Max Jones who I would put ahead of McLeod at this point, which is very early.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Nov 1 @ 3:22 PM ET
Does he play LW?
- Marc D


Mostly RW but can move around.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 1 @ 3:23 PM ET
So would Max Jones who I would put ahead of McLeod at this point, which is very early.
- ob18


That's Brad Jones' boy, correct?

Hopefully he has his father's wheels, but not his hands!
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 1 @ 3:32 PM ET
That's Brad Jones' boy, correct?

Hopefully he has his father's wheels, but not his hands!

- BiggE


Had a hat trick last night
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 1 @ 3:50 PM ET
That's Brad Jones' boy, correct?

Hopefully he has his father's wheels, but not his hands!

- BiggE


And so far 2 more today
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 1 @ 3:53 PM ET
And so far 2 more today
- ob18


Nice. He certainly doesn't have the old man's hands then.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 1 @ 3:58 PM ET
Konecny with 2 assists so far
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 1 @ 4:04 PM ET
So Morin is a bad pick because he's not in the NHL yet. Morin was drafted in 2013. He spent last year back in Juniors, and is in the AHL this year. He may need a 2nd AHL season or partial season.

Not to compare Morin in any way.

PK Subban was drafted in 2007. He spent 2008 back in juniors, and spent 2009 in the AHL, before making the NHL full time in 2010.

Duncan Keith was drafted in 2002. He spent 02/03 back in Juniors, and then needed 2 AHL seasons before finally making the Hawks full time in 05.

Ryan Suter was drafted in 03. He spent 03/04 in college hockey, and 04/05 in the AHL, before making the NHL in 05/06.

Just a few players, and examples. Why the rush to judgement with the Morin pick?

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 1 @ 4:06 PM ET
Gagner and Vinny are UNBELIEVABLE together (strong E5)
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 1 @ 4:15 PM ET
Travis Konecny ridiculous no-look backhand pass today.

https://twitter.com/Brady...status/660927757610676224
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Nov 1 @ 4:20 PM ET
Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull now11 seconds ago

Schenn now centering Gagner and Vinny.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Nov 1 @ 4:22 PM ET
Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac 2m2 minutes ago

Looks like it’s 89-10-40 and 76-25-20
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Nov 1 @ 4:24 PM ET
I really wish Vinny could still play. I think this team could benefit from some veteran leadership.

On the plus side, Drew Brees gets me 7 td passes and counting in fantasy football.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 1 @ 4:37 PM ET
Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull now11 seconds ago

Schenn now centering Gagner and Vinny.

- MBFlyerfan


goenzoy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.11.2014

Nov 1 @ 4:45 PM ET
Not that I'm disagreeing with you on your view of Jake, last season was the only time he ever looked like an 8 million dollar player in his entire career. It wasn't until last season that he finally put all those tools together and be the player we all know he can be.
- SuperSchennBros

But he doesn't get 8 million this season.So he still has time to work it out.
But I guess new contract put pressure on him and last year Raffl helped a lot to get
Voracek to great numbers as he intuitively knew as a European trained player where
Voracek will next.That worked last year because Raffl was a below the radar player.
2015/16 Raffl is a different player.All teams rank him now as 20 goal/Top Line player
And did run Analytics about him.
goenzoy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.11.2014

Nov 1 @ 4:45 PM ET
Not that I'm disagreeing with you on your view of Jake, last season was the only time he ever looked like an 8 million dollar player in his entire career. It wasn't until last season that he finally put all those tools together and be the player we all know he can be.
- SuperSchennBros

But he doesn't get 8 million this season.So he still has time to work it out.
But I guess new contract put pressure on him and last year Raffl helped a lot to get
Voracek to great numbers as he intuitively knew as a European trained player where
Voracek will next.That worked last year because Raffl was a below the radar player.
2015/16 Raffl is a different player.All teams rank him now as 20 goal/Top Line player
And did run Analytics about him.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 1 @ 4:57 PM ET
Travis Konecny ridiculous no-look backhand pass today.

https://twitter.com/Brady...status/660927757610676224

- ob18



Better knock that crap off if he wants to play in the big boy league
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 1 @ 5:02 PM ET
Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull now11 seconds ago

Schenn now centering Gagner and Vinny.

- MBFlyerfan



2/3 of the redemption line in tact
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 1 @ 5:10 PM ET
Travis Konecny ridiculous no-look backhand pass today.

https://twitter.com/Brady...status/660927757610676224

- ob18

that won't work in the NHL
Bergey
Joined: 10.05.2014

Nov 1 @ 5:17 PM ET
[quote=MJL]So Morin is a bad pick because he's not in the NHL yet. Morin was drafted in 2013. He spent last year back in Juniors, and is in the AHL this year. He may need a 2nd AHL season or partial season.

Not to compare Morin in any way.

PK Subban was drafted in 2007. He spent 2008 back in juniors, and spent 2009 in the AHL, before making the NHL full time in 2010.

Duncan Keith was drafted in 2002. He spent 02/03 back in Juniors, and then needed 2 AHL seasons before finally making the Hawks full time in 05.

Ryan Suter was drafted in 03. He spent 03/04 in college hockey, and 04/05 in the AHL, before making the NHL in 05/06.

I don't think he's a bust. It would be unfair to say that at this point. Really unfair to Morin who I think is a good, hard working kid. But, he was definitely a project. Maybe too big a project at number 11. Here's the issue - if you are picking number 11, do you want to take someone who is such a project? If someone told you right after they picked Morin, that in 2015, he still would not have played an NHL game, you would have been ok with that? I wouldn't have been. If you would have been ok with it, I guess we have a different way of looking at things. As far as your comparisons are concerned, Subban and Keith were both second round picks. Morin was picked at 11. Suter was a higher pick than Morin, but played college hockey and far fewer games than a Canadien junior player. Even taking that into account, he was in the NHL by his third year. Morin is in his third year after being drafted already and is in the AHL.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 1 @ 5:20 PM ET
that won't work in the NHL
- 2Real


Not with that attitude
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Nov 1 @ 5:21 PM ET
Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull now11 seconds ago

Schenn now centering Gagner and Vinny.

- MBFlyerfan

In my opinion, if Vinny is gonna put up any type of reasonable numbers, this is his best opportunity. If I'm being honest, I thought Vinny started off 14/15 well, got hurt and dropped off in his return. Showed some flash in about 4 games on the fourth line and jumped off a clip again, even though I felt that small bit of flash might have warranted a small leash with more talented players. I'm not expecting much but it is put up or shut up time. I didn't see Vinny getting much of the opportunity he's about to get but I do understand this very well could be his last real chance.
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