Sounds like zero mention of an expansion draft... LOOPHOLE!
- Guile

The argument would be the expansion team did not exist when the contract was signed & therefore has no place in any discussions about the existing conditions of the contract. Unless somewhere in very small fine print there is an exclaimed of;

"Any expansion team created after this dated contracted is not bound by any of the aforementioned conditions of this contract".

Or;

"If the above mentioned player named above becomes an anchor for his team due to this ridiculous contract, or he becomes a liability on the ice because he no longer has any ability, his team listed above can (frank) him off to the expansion team"

The CBA doesn't specifically mention expansion. From what I've read, MLS had an expansion draft recently and even players with NTC were required to be protected. I just can't see what concession could be made to the NHLPA that would convince them to allow NMC contracts to be eligible for the expansion draft.
- jfkst1

Well actually, NMC/NTC HAVE to be void in an expansion draft. If you think about how many players have them... a team could protect almost every player without having to protect the NMC and NTC players then.

Well actually, NMC/NTC HAVE to be void in an expansion draft. If you think about how many players have them... a team could protect almost every player without having to protect the NMC and NTC players then.
- Guile

I don't think NTC contracts will be protected unless they are specifically identifying the expansion teams as teams they don't want to be traded too. There aren't many full NMC contracts at all. My main argument is that NMC contracts will be protected unless the player consents.

I don't think NTC contracts will be protected unless they are specifically identifying the expansion teams as teams they don't want to be traded too. There aren't many full NMC contracts at all. My main argument is that NMC contracts will be protected unless the player consents.
- jfkst1

An additional point... Players turn in the list of teams for the NTC and NMC during the offseason. If this expandion draft occurs before that, or only "current teams" can be listed... they are stuck if they aren't protected.

Well actually, NMC/NTC HAVE to be void in an expansion draft. If you think about how many players have them... a team could protect almost every player without having to protect the NMC and NTC players then.
- Guile

Do you think for example if Orpik has a NMC, he moves his family over to DC thinking it's his last contract, settles his family into a house, kids in school etc. Do you think the nhlpa would accept that he pack his bags against his will & move to Vegas? He negotiated his final contract for stability & certainty of his employment, not to be shipped out at any moment. That goes against anything that the nhlpa are trying to protect I would think/hope.

But you're right. If a team was full of players with NMC that they wanted to move, how could they do it?

Sounds like a cluster(frank).

Do you think for example if Orpik has a NMC, he moves his family over to DC thinking it's his last contract, settles his family into a house, kids in school etc. Do you think the nhlpa would accept that he pack his bags against his will & move to Vegas? He negotiated his final contract for stability & certainty of his employment, not to be shipped out at any moment. That goes against anything that the nhlpa are trying to protect I would think/hope.

But you're right. If a team was full of players with NMC that they wanted to move, how could they do it?

Sounds like a cluster(frank).
- Aussiepenguin

And... expansion drafts are FAR from common. But they have to know its in the realm of possibilities. No different then being bought out, still wanting to play, and taking a 1 year deal in Vegas and moving his family.

And... expansion drafts are FAR from common. But they have to know its in the realm of possibilities. No different then being bought out, still wanting to play, and taking a 1 year deal in Vegas and moving his family.
- Guile

If he's bought out it's his decision to take the contract in Vegas. If he's told he has no choice via the expansion draft that's in another ballpark.

In that scenario if he was told he has to go, he decides to retire who then gets the cap recapture penalties?

Yep, definite cluster(frank)!

We could probably just for laughs use Geno as an example. Bet you he would go straight back to the KHL - what happens then?

FFS

Teams will be able to protect something like 8 forwards, 4 Defense, etc...

If you have a player who has a NMC/NTC he will just have to be one of those guys

Thats how it will go down

Book it

see it positive. maybe just MAYBE someone picks scuds... oh who am I kidding

FFS

Teams will be able to protect something like 8 forwards, 4 Defense, etc...

If you have a player who has a NMC/NTC he will just have to be one of those guys

Thats how it will go down

Book it
- TheGame316

Exactly. NHLPA isn't going to "sell out" an existing member. These kind of things usually have to be put up for a vote by the members anyway. With so many players now having these clauses there is zero chance they'll allow some of these contracts to be void by expansion.

Exactly. NHLPA isn't going to "sell out" an existing member. These kind of things usually have to be put up for a vote by the members anyway. With so many players now having these clauses there is zero chance they'll allow some of these contracts to be void by expansion.
- madmike71

That's what we are saying although the quote you used is saying the protected players will be those with the clauses which if a team that has a player with a NMC or NTC but wants him nominated & leaves him off the protected list, what happens?

Scuds has a limited trade clause, the Pens don't protect him what happens? Or, are the Pens forced to protect him as 1 of the d men & leave a player without that clause be taken?

That's what we are saying although the quote you used is saying the protected players will be those with the clauses which if a team that has a player with a NMC or NTC but wants him nominated & leaves him off the protected list, what happens?

Scuds has a limited trade clause, the Pens don't protect him what happens? Or, are the Pens forced to protect him as 1 of the d men & leave a player without that clause be taken?
- Aussiepenguin

They'll be forced to protect him. No doubt in my mind. I was in a union many years ago. One thing I know for certain is they protect the older members like new born babies and let the new guys twist in the wind. It's basically the exact opposite of how most corporations operate these days.

On another note. The NHL is such a watered down product now. I can only imagine the product with 2 new teams.

Crosby bored and disinterested? Maybe though I highly doubt it. He wants to win and be the best more then everyone else which is what makes him special. Stop it fools

The real problem is that I'm stuck with Melvin Gordon and Christine Michael for running backs this week because Forte is on bye

Crosby bored and disinterested? Maybe though I highly doubt it. He wants to win and be the best more then everyone else which is what makes him special. Stop it fools
- dbell646

I understand the Crosby criticism this season more than I understand criticizing the defense which has played well so far this short season.

I understand the Crosby criticism this season more than I understand criticizing the defense which has played well so far this short season.
- jfkst1

Crosby not scoring is fair criticism to claim he is bored and not interested is unfair. Guess when you're that good and not getting the production people assume stupid things like that.

The real problem is that I'm stuck with Melvin Gordon and Christine Michael for running backs this week because Forte is on bye
- Pens_Burgh

You're tellin me. I'm stuck in a 14 man league and drafted Andre Johnson in the third. I'm actually excited that I get to play Christine Michael...

The real problem is that I'm stuck with Melvin Gordon and Christine Michael for running backs this week because Forte is on bye
- Pens_Burgh

I bought the Melvin Gordon hype also. He looks like he has played himself out of the line up, Brandon Oliver is starting this week.

The real problem is that I'm stuck with Melvin Gordon and Christine Michael for running backs this week because Forte is on bye
- Pens_Burgh

If it makes you feel better I cut Devonte Freeman

I bought the Melvin Gordon hype also. He looks like he has played himself out of the line up, Brandon Oliver is starting this week.
- Thunderbolt

To be fair the Bolts' system is awful for him.

If it makes you feel better I cut Devonte Freeman
- dbell646

How is that possible? Didn't he hit the ground running?

How is that possible? Didn't he hit the ground running?
- Victoro311

Nope first 2 weeks Coleman was the lead back. 6 points week 1 I cut him for Matt freaking Jones.

Crosby not scoring is fair criticism to claim he is bored and not interested is unfair. Guess when you're that good and not getting the production people assume stupid things like that.
- dbell646

Not saying it is from lack of effort, but Crosby is certainly in the worst slump of his career. Not only is he not producing offensively, he's been way below his marks in all the underlying numbers too.
http://www.naturalstattri...6&stype=2&team=PIT&sit=ev
Yes, it is a SSS so it can change quite quickly, but Crosby needs to make massive improvements in his game to get back up to career standards. He must be one of the best centers in the league for the Pens to compete.

You have 1 elite player in those you mentioned & then a couple of very good players. Other than that young untested unknown or waiting to see (Kreider, who I really like). That's not cup contending nor ever will be especially if Nash continues to be Nash (although this year no new baby so his motivation isn't quite there). That's middle of the road playoffs. I would say Detroit has a better squad than you guys along with Tampa, Habs, Isles, Caps & us with our untried/tested young group of D. That's with Pouliot in the A. Even Florida are coming, & if the BJ's get their D together they could blow you guys out of the water along with a few others.
- Aussiepenguin

Not a cup contender but they have made it to the conference finals three of the last four years.

Listen, I get that you hate the Rangers, but when you state stuff like that you come off ignorant, especially when you state Columbus and Florida are on the Rangers level. You come off even more ignorant stating Montreal is that much better when, in fact, they rely more on Price than the Rangers do on Lundqvist.

Not saying it is from lack of effort, but Crosby is certainly in the worst slump of his career. Not only is he not producing offensively, he's been way below his marks in all the underlying numbers too.
http://www.naturalstattri...6&stype=2&team=PIT&sit=ev
Yes, it is a SSS so it can change quite quickly, but Crosby needs to make massive improvements in his game to get back up to career standards. He must be one of the best centers in the league for the Pens to compete.
- jfkst1

He seems to lack energy a bit. Also, their line is unable to keep possession in the offensive zone. They did have some better scoring chances in the last game but possession is weak on that line for some reason. It may be that line needs a big body to bang on the boards and separate them with the puck. I thought it looked that way to me.