The thing is, I like mentoining Seguin and Hamilton because the Kessel trade was named the best in Boston sports history. The Leafs were mocked and told Seguin+Hamilton would lead them to cups the last decade.

The Leafs traded draft picks. The Bruins traded Seguin and Hamilton at 21 and 22 after they already had proven themselves in the NHL.

The Bruins are a mess. The Leafs have 11 draft picks next June and had a great draft this past June.

Sharp and Bickell are supporting pieces. Chicago only trades the replacebable parts. Seguin+ Hamilton are not replaceable. They are early 20's core stars.
- RogerRoeper

I can't disagree. Trading hamilton and Seguin was a joke.
But the Kessel to Toronto trade was great for Boston. We won a cup, and Seguin was a contributor.
But to tell me the Bruins are a mess and the Leafs aren't, you have to give your head a shake. How do you know the Leafs had a good draft?
Bos also had 6 picks in the first 2 rounds last year.

It would be interesting to dissect the Kessel trade now.
Looks like;
Louie Erikkson, Jimmy Hayes, Joe Morrow, (Senyshyn, Karllson, Lauzon - from Hamilton trade 2015 draft)
For
Kappannen, Harrington, Spaling and a 1st.

I can't disagree. Trading hamilton and Seguin was a joke.
But the Kessel to Toronto trade was great for Boston. We won a cup, and Seguin was a contributor.
But to tell me the Bruins are a mess and the Leafs aren't, you have to give your head a shake. How do you know the Leafs had a good draft?
Bos also had 6 picks in the first 2 rounds last year.

It would be interesting to dissect the Kessel trade now.
Looks like;
Louie Erikkson, Jimmy Hayes, Joe Morrow, (Senyshyn, Karllson, Lauzon - from Hamilton trade 2015 draft)
For
Kappannen, Harrington, Spaling and a 1st.
- Tachmo

Incredibly small contributor. benched for 50% of the playoff games.

In what world did the Leafs have a bad draft? Everyone was saying they did a great job.

What are you talking about?
- shack67

Exactly what he said. How do you know the Leafs had a good draft? Until you actually see those picks develop.

how do u know the leafs had a great draft? drop the homerism and give it some time (years) to decide.
- wingz4life

Show me anyone who thought it was a poor draft.

And it's funny, Boston was allowed to talk about anyone drafted with the Leafs pick as "Elite" before they played a game.

Anyone remember the laughable hype over Jared Knight? Where he is?

I never said he was a savior and never said Hayes was a bad pickup.

Was simply disputing the claim that Reilly Smith is suddenly overpaid now that he was traded out of town
- FourFeathers773

He was overpaid in Bos at a time where needed to save money for Hamilton. It was a poor contract to give Smith at the end of last year and may have been the final straw in Chiarellis firing.

Exactly what he said. How do you know the Leafs had a good draft? Until you actually see those picks develop.
- Tachmo

Yes or no. Do we hear analysts after each draft say if it was a good draft or not? People were raving about the Leafs draft.

Show me anyone who thought it was a poor draft.

And it's funny, Boston was allowed to talk about anyone drafted with the Leafs pick as "Elite" before they played a game.

Anyone remember the laughable hype over Jared Knight? Where he is?
- RogerRoeper

Well Geez it was the 2nd pick and a coin flip 1st overall it was understandable Sequin had hype.

He was overpaid in Bos at a time where needed to save money for Hamilton. It was a poor contract to give Smith at the end of last year and may have been the final straw in Chiarellis firing.
- Tachmo

Has Sweeney reached the final straw yet?

Everything you just said is right but Boston fans will never admit it.
- shack67

Why not?

Has Sweeney reached the final straw yet?
- RogerRoeper

Lol, whatever makes you sleep at night. Perhaps stick to the leafs blogs pal.
Can't deny Bos is in trouble and management has made some mistakes. Since its CDN Thansgiving I am thankful for we had meaningful Hockey in Bos for 5 or 6 yrs where Bruins were a favourite every year. It was a fun ride. Enjoy the Leafs ride of being a cellar dweller for another 5 years.

Why not?
- Cape Breton Bruins

Why not?
- Cape Breton Bruins

Because most can't even admit everything they acquired in the Kessel trade has been squandered big time.

Has Sweeney reached the final straw yet?
- RogerRoeper

Ok you sound silly. Sweeney botched the Hamilton trade although he had to act fast as their was a risk of an offer sheet within the division, is that an excuse for the return? Absolutely not but it was a reality of his situation.

The Lucic trade seems to be a nice move. I can understand the smith trade to relieve themselves of the Savard contract and the Beleskey signing is TBD.

Thing is having Five first round picks in two years isn't a bad position to be in, it remains to be seen what fruit they can bare from them but this Colin Miller kid looks promising too.

Any reasonable fan(remember this is the internet) fan could look at this roster before the season started and realize that the odds were pretty tough to be more than a bubble team at best, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are years and years away from being competitive again.

Krejci, Bergeron, Marchand, Spooner, Pastrnak are a solid core of forwards to build around, the defense needs a complete overhaul and time will tell if they can maneuver that in the next couple of years.

Because most can't even admit everything they acquired in the Kessel trade has been squandered big time.
- shack67

Well it's not hard to admit that they traded two potential cornerstone players for what will seemingly be spare pieces.

Eriksson, Morrow, Hayes, Senyshyn, Karlsson and a 2nd for Hamilton and Seguin basically.

Only hope is that Morrow and Senyshyn pan out and even then it's pretty ugly return. If Loui continues to have a good offensive season they may be able to flip him for another pick.

Maybe some chloroform will do the trick?
- Cape Breton Bruins

For fans? It's a little early for that yet.

Ok you sound silly. Sweeney botched the Hamilton trade although he had to act fast as their was a risk of an offer sheet within the division, is that an excuse for the return? Absolutely not but it was a reality of his situation.

The Lucic trade seems to be a nice move. I can understand the smith trade to relieve themselves of the Savard contract and the Beleskey signing is TBD.

Thing is having Five first round picks in two years isn't a bad position to be in, it remains to be seen what fruit they can bare from them but this Colin Miller kid looks promising too.

Any reasonable fan(remember this is the internet) fan could look at this roster before the season started and realize that the odds were pretty tough to be more than a bubble team at best, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are years and years away from being competitive again.

Krejci, Bergeron, Marchand, Spooner, Pastrnak are a solid core of forwards to build around, the defense needs a complete overhaul and time will tell if they can maneuver that in the next couple of years.
- Cape Breton Bruins

Those are good points. It is exciting that Bos has stocked the prospect cupboard. I think Senyshyn will be a diamond in the rough. Hope he develops or it will be a really bad pick as they took him early.
The return for Lucic was incredible. It was a big haul for Sweeney.
However I think Bos lost its identity when Lucic and probably Boychuk was traded.
This looks to me like a rebuild as I'm almost convinced our D core isn't capable of being a playoff team. In which case do they move Chara at the deadline? Forget Seidenberg he can't be moved.

Those are good points. It is exciting that Bos has stocked the prospect cupboard. I think Senyshyn will be a diamond in the rough. Hope he develops or it will be a really bad pick as they took him early.
The return for Lucic was incredible. It was a big haul for Sweeney.
However I think Bos lost its identity when Lucic and probably Boychuk was traded.
This looks to me like a rebuild as I'm almost convinced our D core isn't capable of being a playoff team. In which case do they move Chara at the deadline? Forget Seidenberg he can't be moved.
- Tachmo

Well it seems like it all took a turn when Boychuk was traded no doubt, he was always credited as a positive, well liked voice in the room who kept everybody loose as Chara and Bergy aren't vocal leaders and his on ice play, especially in the playoffs speaks for itself. His lost was deeply felt last year, especially with all the defensive injuries. People forget the Bruins won the presidents trophy after the Seguin trade.

As for Chara, if he has a good season and there is interest I, personally wouldn't be against moving on if a contender was willing to give him a shot at the cup. Problem is, what contenders have $7m in cap space so the Bruins would likely have to eat a bad contract to make it work so if it's lateral I say (frank) that.

Haggs from csnne has the Bs asking around about Marchand and Chara.

Marchand.........?

I can see it now. We are going to be trading a player like Marchand for a dumpster fire like Buff from the Jets.

Then we will resign that overweight inconsistent player for $7 per at 31 years old to replace the Seidenberg contract they will try to get rid of.

It's like opposite world with this team's management group right now. They seem to be making moves as fans with emotions and not using there brains.......reminds me of Jerry Jones in Dallas..

Hopefully there is nothing coming from the Marchand rumors, a player I think turned 180 degrees from three seasons ago. He cleaned up his act as they asked, played hurt last season and is one of our best wingers along with Ericksson........how could we trade him?

http://www.csnne.com/bost...de-value-of-some-veterans

Haggs from csnne has the Bs asking around about Marchand and Chara.

Marchand.........?

I can see it now. We are going to be trading a player like Marchand for a dumpster fire like Buff from the Jets.

Then we will resign that overweight inconsistent player for $7 per at 31 years old to replace the Seidenberg contract they will try to get rid of.

It's like opposite world with this team's management group right now. They seem to be making moves as fans with emotions and not using there brains.......reminds me of Jerry Jones in Dallas..

Hopefully there is nothing coming from the Marchand rumors, a player I think turned 180 degrees from three seasons ago. He cleaned up his act as they asked, played hurt last season and is one of our best wingers along with Ericksson........how could we trade him?
- JIwasinskiJr

Links to the article?

Well it's not hard to admit that they traded two potential cornerstone players for what will seemingly be spare pieces.

Eriksson, Morrow, Hayes, Senyshyn, Karlsson and a 2nd for Hamilton and Seguin basically.

Only hope is that Morrow and Senyshyn pan out and even then it's pretty ugly return. If Loui continues to have a good offensive season they may be able to flip him for another pick.
- Cape Breton Bruins

Are you still using the word "Potential" for Seguin and Hamilton?

Links to the article?
- Cape Breton Bruins

http://www.csnne.com/bost...de-value-of-some-veterans

Second article I noticed. Someone else posted a link earlier in the thread too......

Haggs is on csnne being asked about it right now. And they are just exploratory about what they could get.

And the looker room stuff is already starting. Krejci and Bergy are stunned as to the start.

And th kids are apparently not understanding the system.........

Haggs response is that the kids need to ask for help.

EDIT: Rask had a bad game, but he is going to be nuts if they don't figure this out.

Are you still using the word "Potential" for Seguin and Hamilton?
- RogerRoeper

Well I haven't seen them lead teams through the playoffs but I'd be surprised if at some point they didn't. I like both players and wish they were both still Bruins.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/po...ings/_/season/2016/week/1

Not that it matters, it's ESPN. But DAMN! We went from top of the world to the bottom pretty quick.

Incredibly small contributor. benched for 50% of the playoff games.

In what world did the Leafs have a bad draft? Everyone was saying they did a great job.
- RogerRoeper

Seguin was a major factor in turning the series around against TB. Look it up.
You don't seem to understand, but it takes a few years to accurately access your draft. But hey if the experts say they did well I guess that's all that matters to you.

Seguin was a major factor in turning the series around against TB. Look it up.
You don't seem to understand, but it takes a few years to accurately access your draft. But hey if the experts say they did well I guess that's all that matters to you.
- Tachmo

I watched it. It was 1 good period. that's all he's done in the playoffs in his career.