Are you really advocating trading Sprong right now? Not a hot start to your return, Barts.
- Victoro311

No not at all, I'm just saying we will have a few extra skaters, I'm a big Sprong fan.

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No not at all, I'm just saying we will have a few extra skaters, I'm a big Sprong fan.

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- freeBartley

So, aside from Scuderi... who is your first to be dealt if possible?

So, aside from Scuderi... who is your first to be dealt if possible?
- Guile

I guess Perron and Bennett

Oh yeah it's me, I am however under some new stipulations. I had to
Use a different user namer name, and I cannot enter the Rags room, or post from my work IP address, other than that I'm back baby!!!!!
- freeBartley

Could we apply that to Rag fans coming on the Pens board?

Could we apply that to Rag fans coming on the Pens board?
- acdc1206

Wish that were the case. I hate most those Scum Rags with a passion.

Wish that were the case. I hate most those Scum Rags with a passion.
- jfkst1

Especially a$$ ranger

So where, then, does this leave NHL GMs when constructing a team? This logic dictates that they really don't have anything to go off and it just comes down random turns of luck in specific games. Is there nothing an NHL GM can do to stack the deck and increase the odds of winning games by signing certain players? If we're claiming that each game is its own isolated event and nothing in the past can tell you anything about how a specific game will probably play out, then there's really not and there's no such thing as good or bad GMs. Just lucky and unlucky ones.
- Victoro311

How were teams constructed before Corsi was created? That would be a start.

Goal scorers, assists, SOG, assists for SOG, hits, forecheckers, back checkers, good passers, good skaters are all things that would help build a competitive team plus many many more. Your going to extremes because I disagree with you about Analytics.

I would say on 'most' nights any team can win a game of hockey, that's what makes it so great. Last season the Oil beat the Rags, Habs & Hawks, pretty decent scalps!

IDK, when you go and trade away 2 first rnd picks for the 2nd best goal scorer in the league and you still cant score....I'd say things are bad.

The D isnt good. Cole never in his career was more than a borderline NHL player and now he has top minutes with 58 and we expect more out of him. Maata looks really rusty. He may never be the player he could have been, or he just needs more time. Dumo needs more time, but the Pens dont have a ton of it.
- sammy87

Ok.

You forgot about mentioning Harrington playing ok in Toronto, Lovejob not making any friends, Tanger wasn't good against the the Yotes so we should trade him, Sid not playing at all & Kuni hasn't done what he's paid to do & score.

If your going to complain get it all out every time so we don't think your slacking off!

I'm back



F Sutter
- freeBartley

Many of those guys, as you mentioned, are now facing tough life situations. Those guys paid a high price w/out ever earning much in return. Fighting (NHL) is slowly being eliminated and should vanish w/in 5 to 7 yrs.

As for the Pens, I'm not asking for a goon-squad. Someone on the blue-line (e.g. younger Orpik, or Kronwall) that puts some fear into the opposing team's forwards (especially protecting zone entries) would be a nice to have. Active sticks and deflections serve their purpose, but sometimes a team needs to defend/ claim their space on the ice. Remember the Scuds hip check? I know it been many years, but.... he used catch a player from time to time. The same for the offense (or the inverse). Someone to fore-check/ grind the other team's defense down low. Put some fear into them when they go back to play loose pucks below the goal line. Even Ovechkin keeps the opponent honest. Maybe I'm guilty, over the years, of watching/ being influenced by too many Pac Div games, but I don't see this dynamic w/ the current Pens line-up.

Pens will almost certainly have the fewest fighting majors this season. Not that its right or wrong, just saying....w/ the current line-up that's the expectation.
- out_of_market

I tried, I did, I really really tried but................

#scuds....muffin......hip..check....................................destruction.... .. ..

Maatta is going to get better game by game

Lovejoy is going to get worse

Scuds and Cole are exactly as advertised

I still look at the 6th dman job as a work in progress, maybe just let the young guns rotate until someone either jumps out (Maatta style) or we make a move.

The blue line in Pittsburgh now belongs to Tanger; this is finally his time to shine; and he will; if he can stay out of the hospital. Tanger needs 1 or 2 more troops on that blue line, we need size and nastiness on the back end; I have come to terms with the fact we are going to roll 4 skill lines.

For us to get to exactly where we should be this year we need 1 or 2 Dmen that will bite your nose off and swallow it.
- freeBartley

I am putting it out there right now - Dinger is your man. Give him a chance, he's big skilled & he rolls. He will bang with the best of them he just hasn't been given the chance yet.

When all is said and done we are going to have a few extra skaters Bennett, Cullen (who blows) Sprong, even Perron fits that bill.

I like Methot and Stuart, and I believe Big Z will be dealt this season, which we can't afford but he would be perfect.
- freeBartley

I believe your mind is currently still engaged on your work PC!!

Man I hate you. I just can't stand you. Go gloat somewhere else you snide, condecending a-hole! And use a different avatar, why would use one of the most punchable faces in the world? Actually nvm it suits you.
- Dcoms

I really don't know why anyone here needs to listen to a Rags fan. A fan that is puffing out his chest and their last Cup was 1993-94 and it was a long hiatus between that year and their previous Cup. With the resources they have, that basically constitutes failure.

When all is said and done we are going to have a few extra skaters Bennett, Cullen (who blows) Sprong, even Perron fits that bill.

I like Methot and Stuart, and I believe Big Z will be dealt this season, which we can't afford but he would be perfect.
- freeBartley

Bennett blows too. Glad you are back.

How were teams constructed before Corsi was created? That would be a start.

Goal scorers, assists, SOG, assists for SOG, hits, forecheckers, back checkers, good passers, good skaters are all things that would help build a competitive team plus many many more. Your going to extremes because I disagree with you about Analytics.

I would say on 'most' nights any team can win a game of hockey, that's what makes it so great. Last season the Oil beat the Rags, Habs & Hawks, pretty decent scalps!
- Aussiepenguin

I'm not going to extremes. I'm trying to take your logic to its end point because I honestly don't think I understand your position and I want to understand it since we seem to have this same discussion a lot and nothing ever gets done.

My question is why are stats like scoring, shots on goal, and hits something that you can go off but when we're talking about scoring opportunities (which almost the exact same thing as shots on goals but a few things added to it and presented slightly differently) we have to take the tabula rasa approach game by game? That sounds inconsistent to me. I feel like the argument you are making against Corsi is an argument about all stats, not just analytics, and you're hand picking the ones you want to discredit

Wish that were the case. I hate most those Scum Rags with a passion.
- jfkst1

Not me though, right?

Oh yeah it's me, I am however under some new stipulations. I had to
Use a different user namer name, and I cannot enter the Rags room, or post from my work IP address, other than that I'm back baby!!!!!
- freeBartley

You probably don't want to enter the Rangers blog because of how embarrassing your PM spree was last playoff run

The "hahahahaha you guys lose you suck have fun golfing and eating chode" PMs stopped real quick afte Kreider tied game 5 against the Caps

I really don't know why anyone here needs to listen to a Rags fan. A fan that is puffing out his chest and their last Cup was 1993-94 and it was a long hiatus between that year and their previous Cup. With the resources they have, that basically constitutes failure.
- Oneonta Penguin

A team that has the 2 best players in the world, a top 3 offensive defenseman, and a 1st overall goalie has only won 1 Cup with that core? With the core you have, that basically constitutes failure.

I'm not going to extremes. I'm trying to take your logic to its end point because I honestly don't think I understand your position and I want to understand it since we seem to have this same discussion a lot and nothing ever gets done.

My question is why are stats like scoring, shots on goal, and hits something that you can go off but when we're talking about scoring opportunities (which almost the exact same thing as shots on goals but a few things added to it and presented slightly differently) we have to take the tabula rasa approach game by game? That sounds inconsistent to me. I feel like the argument you are making against Corsi is an argument about all stats, not just analytics, and you're hand picking the ones you want to discredit
- Victoro311

I haven't discredited all stats if that's what you are saying (which you have). I have & am discrediting Corsi & all stats generated from Corsi as invalid. I've said this many times.

Now why is a scoring stat accepted - because it is a real event. A player that shoots the puck on goal - again an actual event. A player hits another player - yes once again a real event. A positive Corsi event is not a 'real' event for 4 of the 5 players on the ice. It's a false economy, it's the same as plus minus. If you want to build a team around players that were on the ice when another player shot the puck then be my guest.

Stats from last season assists you how exactly if the team has changed, the players are not the same as the previous season, & they may not be playing the same way? Stats from 2 seasons ago help in what way? 3 seasons? Etc etc???

The games most recent define how players are playing now. They give the best indication of who is playing to what ability. Who was playing injured last season? How did that affect the play? Who played injured last game? Sidney Crosby has a gastro bug (for example - I don't know if he has or not), for the last 2 games & is still relatively weak from it for next game. Who will the D watch the most Sid or a fighting fit Philbo Baggins? I can go on but do you get where I'm coming from. If you want to win in a team sport, it is very dangerous to rely on historic data. The most recent data usually gives you the best information to win now.

Nash for the Rags scored a million last season then disappeared. He hasn't scored yet this season, are the Rags going to look at trading him or keep him due to his hero chart if he can't score this season?

Not me though, right?
- rangerdanger94

You're more tolerable than the ones that only come over when there is a setback. Namely an injury.

You probably don't want to enter the Rangers blog because of how embarrassing your PM spree was last playoff run

The "hahahahaha you guys lose you suck have fun golfing and eating chode" PMs stopped real quick afte Kreider tied game 5 against the Caps
- rangerdanger94

That wasn't by my own accord, I was banned until now douche, how about taking a hike. Because in here your free game, and you know your team is worse this year than it was last; how is that Yandle experiment going for ya???

Maybe you can murder a Rags mother this season so you have a mystical shot at the Cup.

F NY in general

Another doom and gloom Ryan Wilson blog. My hand is up by the way. I never considered the Coyotes the worst team in the league. They have the best defenseman in the NHL and a couple other really good ones. They have a very young and dangerous top 6 and they still have guys like Strone and Samuelson in the minors. Mike Smith steals games all the time, he just isn't consistent. The Penguins aside from Scuderi has been much better than hey we're supposed to be. When a goalie is dialed in like the last 2 games it's really a difficult task to score. With all the padding the goalies have these days there are not many open areas to score. Coaching is huge issue right now. Is Johnston going to scrap the 2 PP idea because he now sees its a terrible idea or is he going to continue us to be stubborn about it? Why is Scuderi still in the lineup when he is brutally useless and could easily be replaced by players already under contract? Why can't we try a third line of really young and hungry players and sit Cullen and Porter and Farmhandam can go to WBS where they belong? Let's try some new line combos and d pairings because it's not clicking right now.
Sprong Crosby Kessel
Perron Malkin Hornquist
Kunitz Bonino Bennet
Plotnikov Sundquist Rust or Wilson
Dumoulin Letang
Maatta Cole
Lovejoy Clendening
That would inject some life into this lineup and some speed and talent in the top 6
- Dcoms

Thank God you don't coach the team.

That wasn't by my own accord, I was banned until now douche, how about taking a hike. Because in here your free game, and you know your team is worse this year than it was last; how is that Yandle experiment going for ya???

Maybe you can murder a Rags mother this season so you have a mystical shot at the Cup.

F NY in general
- freeBartley

I'm free game? I'm so scared

Our team is better in every single way this year and Yandle has been our best defenseman through 3 games so far

I'm free game? I'm so scared

Our team is better in every single way this year and Yandle has been our best defenseman through 3 games so far
- rangerdanger94

If you love your 16 year old girl smileys so much, why did you (specifically named) along with 2 of your buddies run to the Ref and cry after my 9/11 tirade and get my user name terminated, you should have just replied with a few smileys I could have been posting here the whole time, ohhh I know why it's because New Yorkers are the epitome of being all talk, but are in fact the most spineless group of turds the world has ever known.


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If you love your 16 year old girl smileys so much, why did you (specifically named) along with 2 of your buddies run to the Ref and cry after my 9/11 tirade and get my user name banned, you should have just replied with a few smileys I could have been posting here the whole time, ohhh I know why it's because New Yorkers are the epitome of being all talk, but are in fact the most spineless group of turds the world has ever known.
- freeBartley

I'm the last person to report anyone guy