jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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you love to turn these conversations into trading these guys for each other, that's crazier than believing in Corsi - jimbro83
Well if one player is better than another, you'd be fool to not want to do that trade. Wouldn't you want the better player? |
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jimbro83
New York Rangers |
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Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY Joined: 12.25.2009
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Well if one player is better than another, you'd be fool to not want to do that trade. Wouldn't you want the better player? - jmatchett383
listen, stick to the topic, this is about possession and charts n stuff |
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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listen, stick to the topic, this is about possession and charts n stuff - jimbro83
Nice cop out.
But yes, hand-picking charts to suit your point is also a cop-out.
That said, Crosby, Malkin, and Tavares are the 3 best centers in the division. |
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listen, stick to the topic, this is about possession and charts n stuff - jimbro83
Exactly, stick to the topic. You can't base one persons play off of a playoff series. If that's the case then Brandon Sutter is the best player in the world. Ryan used stats from the past 2 years, not from a playoff series where the pens had an AHL defense. |
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jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Clackety Clack Joined: 02.09.2015
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listen, stick to the topic, this is about possession and charts n stuff - jimbro83
I like Stepan and Brassard more than most. But there isn't anyone that would take them above Crosby and Malkin or Tavares and Strome. And you wouldn't either if you're being honest about it. |
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jimbro83
New York Rangers |
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Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY Joined: 12.25.2009
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Nice cop out.
But yes, hand-picking charts to suit your point is also a cop-out.
That said, Crosby, Malkin, and Tavares are the 3 best centers in the division. - jmatchett383
if I said Rick Nash is one of the top 3 wingers in the division, how quick would you point out his lack of playoff production? (but Brassard's playoff production doesn't matter) |
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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I like Stepan and Brassard more than most. But there isn't anyone that would take them above Crosby and Malkin or Tavares and Strome. And you wouldn't either if you're being honest about it. - jfkst1
Agreed. The CBJ one is debateable, but they're definitely #3/#4 where comparing them to the 2 best centers of Pit/NYI. |
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Nice cop out.
But yes, hand-picking charts to suit your point is also a cop-out.
That said, Crosby, Malkin, and Tavares are the 3 best centers in the division. - jmatchett383
Hell, Crosby, Malkin, and Tavares are usually names thrown around for the best players in the league. |
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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if I said Rick Nash is one of the top 3 wingers in the division, how quick would you point out his lack of playoff production? (but Brassard's playoff production doesn't matter) - jimbro83
If the conversation was about where he stacks up with other players, I'd say that he's one of the better wingers in the league. If it was about about an upcoming playoff series, then I would talk about his playoff woes. |
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MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF Joined: 12.12.2014
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listen, stick to the topic, this is about possession and charts n stuff - jimbro83
Jimbro why even bother with this crap? you along with everyone else know that the two Rangers centres aren't as good as the others mentioned ahead of them. You're basing your crap on the playoffs without considering any other factors. The biggest one being its a team sport and the Pens back end was decimated by injuries. |
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jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Clackety Clack Joined: 02.09.2015
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Hell, Crosby, Malkin, and Tavares are usually names thrown around for the best players in the league. - drummer829
Giroux is very good too. He's great on the PP on his own. |
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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Giroux is very good too. He's great on the PP on his own. - jfkst1
Giroux is one of the better players in the league, but there is a steep drop-off from him to Couturier when it comes to strictly offensive production. |
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jimbro83
New York Rangers |
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Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY Joined: 12.25.2009
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Jimbro why even bother with this crap? you along with everyone else know that the two Rangers centres aren't as good as the others mentioned ahead of them. You're basing your crap on the playoffs without considering any other factors. The biggest one being its a team sport and the Pens back end was decimated by injuries. - MattStrat
Brassard had 5 points in game 6 vs Tampa and then had wrist surgery when the series was over. But, the Penguins are the only one's with injuries |
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jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Clackety Clack Joined: 02.09.2015
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Giroux is one of the better players in the league, but there is a steep drop-off from him to Couturier when it comes to strictly offensive production. - jmatchett383
Right. Duo-wise, Couturier needs to show he has more offensive upside for me to consider him a good 2C. He can probably fill that role but ideally the team would have more production out of him. Better deployment should help. |
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Brassard had 5 points in game 6 vs Tampa and then had wrist surgery when the series was over. But, the Penguins are the only one's with injuries - jimbro83
And fleury had more shutouts than lundqvist, so he's better |
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jimbro83
New York Rangers |
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Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY Joined: 12.25.2009
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And fleury had more shutouts than lundqvist, so he's better - drummer829
Fleury was definitely not the reason the Penguins lost to the Rangers in 5, I guarantee you that. It was probably mostly due to the lack of production from the number 1 center duo of the Metro division. |
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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And fleury had more shutouts than lundqvist, so he's better - drummer829
And Lapierre had more goals than Zuccarello, so he's better. |
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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Fleury was definitely not the reason the Penguins lost to the Rangers in 5, I guarantee you that. It was probably mostly due to the lack of production from the number 1 center duo of the Metro division. - jimbro83
Another fantastic redirect.
Crosby and Malkin are the best combination of centers in the division. I really don't see how this can realistically be contested. |
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jimbro83
New York Rangers |
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Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY Joined: 12.25.2009
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And Lapierre had more goals than Zuccarello, so he's better. - jmatchett383
I definitely understand why you hate including the playoffs in all of these kind of conversations |
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jimbro83
New York Rangers |
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Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY Joined: 12.25.2009
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Another fantastic redirect. - jmatchett383
well I try, I could also include all the games Crosby piled up his regular season points last year in games vs Buffalo |
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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I definitely understand why you hate including the playoffs in all of these kind of conversations - jimbro83
Well, we can't all have one Stanley Cup in the last 66 years. |
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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well I try, I could also include all the games Crosby piled up his regular season points last year in games vs Buffalo - jimbro83
Please do. |
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jimbro83
New York Rangers |
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Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY Joined: 12.25.2009
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Well, we can't all have one Stanley Cup in the last 66 years. - jmatchett383
or zero in 40 |
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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or zero in 40 - jimbro83
Absolutely. Soon to be 41.
Still waiting on that list. |
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jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Clackety Clack Joined: 02.09.2015
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Fleury was definitely not the reason the Penguins lost to the Rangers in 5, I guarantee you that. It was probably mostly due to the lack of production from the number 1 center duo of the Metro division. - jimbro83
Crosby had 4 pts in the series just like Brassard and Malkin was playing hurt. You can go back to the Scum Rags board now where logical inconsistency is accepted. |
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