Whatever IMMEDIATELY replaces or even enhances Kane's function on this team. AKA nothing.
- SimpleJack

So OV or Benn wouldn't even do that?

You wouldn't get rid of Kane for a lesser player that won't be a distraction (i.e. JVR, Ryan, etc)?

What a day?! WOW

Glad to hear that Seabs is close to signing a long term deal.

BTW, JJ, I hope your source is correct and Bickell is sent packing. I see a lot of young hungry players that would love to take his spot.

If it was Patrick Kane for Matt Duchene straight up for example then I would be on board
- Panarin27

Yeah, I see that as pretty equal, similar to the Hossa/Heatley trade (not that I was a fan of that one). I still wouldn't do it if I was the Avs, but it isn't a bad idea.

...anything but smirk, smile or laugh. He was brought out there today purely for optics and smirked when asked about if he'll drink again (the common theme running through his three incidents) - it didn't look good.

Looking at that damn smirk, it can lead one to think (rightly or wrongly) that this guy just doesn't get the poop he brings down on the organization. Like I said earlier, I don't think that's the case, or his intention behind the smirk.

Maybe you don't have kids, or have never had to discipline a co-worker: if they smirk while in trouble, you want to rip their throat out.

What I do think is that, if CHI brought him out there today just to show off how sorry he is about this distraction and to show that he's a changed man in an attempt to trade him, it didn't go well. A smirk isn't going to ruin his trade value, but it sure doesn't make him look sorry for the poopshow going on.

Hell, he could've even said he wasn't going to drink to excess or doesn't drink to excess, or its a problem he'll deal with or has been dealing with. He had a chance to man up to something that clear seems like a problem (or a catalyst surrounding each of these three incidents) and chose not to act on it (again, rightly or wrongly). If he didn't answer the question for legal reasons, then he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
- KarlKarlsson

I think you're being overly critical and rushing to judgements about how someone reacts to a press conference. AND you're assuming he has alcohol issues. Which we dont even know for sure. How he reacts behind closed doors in front of people he actual cares about, people close to him, THAT is what matters. How he confronts his personal issues in private, which is none of our business btw, is a reflection of who he truly is. Im not looking at his knee jerk facial reactions to questions from random reporters and trying to judge who he is off camera, and what he truly feels about his personal issues. Especially if its a question in which he is being restrained from saying completely what he truly feels.

Whatever IMMEDIATELY replaces or even enhances Kane's function on this team. AKA nothing.
- SimpleJack

Your name really fits you.

Yeah, I see that as pretty equal, similar to the Hossa/Heatley trade (not that I was a fan of that one). I still wouldn't do it if I was the Avs, but it isn't a bad idea.
- KarlKarlsson

Its a horrible idea

Your name really fits you.
- ezekial

cool

So OV or Benn wouldn't even do that?

You wouldn't get rid of Kane for a lesser player that won't be a distraction (i.e. JVR, Ryan, etc)?
- KarlKarlsson

I dont see OV or Benn actually happening. That would be crazy, lets be honest.

And no, no lesser players just because they might be lesser distraction off the ice. Until i see the actual play of the team impacted by said distraction, then i dont think you can argue it even exists. Lets see how the team responds if Kane is out there.

I think you're being overly critical and rushing to judgements about how someone reacts to a press conference. AND you're assuming he has alcohol issues. Which we dont even know for sure. How he reacts behind closed doors in front of people he actual cares about, people close to him, THAT is what matters. How he confronts his personal issues in private, which is none of our business btw, is a reflection of who he truly is. Im not looking at his knee jerk facial reactions to questions from random reporters and trying to judge who he is off camera, and what he truly feels about his personal issues. Especially if its a question in which he is being restrained from saying completely what he truly feels.
- SimpleJack

I don't assume he has an alcohol problem, but based on the three incidence, making that assumption isn't a stretch in my books. You're right, it isn't OUR business but it is the business of his employer especially when it effects his ability to do his job or the organization as a whole. Would you invest $10M per season in someone you think may have a drinking problem?

All I'm trying to say is that a reporter tried to get a rise of out Kane and he got one. You're right, how he handles his life day to day is more important than a stupid presser. However, the Hawks chose to hold a stupid presser and Kane smirked when asked about his drinking.

What if they're laying the psychological groundwork for the fans to accept a trade if Kane isn't charged?

Yesterday, the last time saw Kane on TV, he was scoring a cup-clinching goal. Hard to sell a trade to your fanbase.

Today, he's refusing to answer questions about being accused of rape. Much easier to get rid of that guy.
- darklighter

This!

I dont see OV or Benn actually happening. That would be crazy, lets be honest.

And no, no lesser players just because they might be lesser distraction off the ice. Until i see the actual play of the team impacted by said distraction, then i dont think you can argue it even exists. Lets see how the team responds if Kane is out there.
- SimpleJack

OV or Been straight up would be crazy, but you said nothing could replace Kane. I think both could replace what Kane brings.

[edit, comment on bold: really? lol, ok there bud! ]

This!
- DMChi2010

Not a bad idea

Not sure that is true. On the stand, if Kane is truly innocent and believes as much he can state with conviction what really happened and all the DA aggression means nothing.

His look was more of a kid who finally had some of the smug wiped off his face as his actions finally came back as real repercussions, whether that is being traded, having his endorsements pulled, etc.
- TheTrob

This.

I don't assume he has an alcohol problem, but based on the three incidence, making that assumption isn't a stretch in my books. You're right, it isn't OUR business but it is the business of his employer especially when it effects his ability to do his job or the organization as a whole. Would you invest $10M per season in someone you think may have a drinking problem?

All I'm trying to say is that a reporter tried to get a rise of out Kane and he got one. You're right, how he handles his life day to day is more important than a stupid presser. However, the Hawks chose to hold a stupid presser and Kane smirked when asked about his drinking.
- KarlKarlsson

When has this alleged 'drinking problem' ever affected his job performance? He had the best season of his career (not counting last season, pre-injury of course) after the cabbie incident and he's been arguably the most consistent player in the NHL the last 8 seasons.

I don't assume he has an alcohol problem, but based on the three incidence, making that assumption isn't a stretch in my books. You're right, it isn't OUR business but it is the business of his employer especially when it effects his ability to do his job or the organization as a whole. Would you invest $10M per season in someone you think may have a drinking problem?

All I'm trying to say is that a reporter tried to get a rise of out Kane and he got one. You're right, how he handles his life day to day is more important than a stupid presser. However, the Hawks chose to hold a stupid presser and Kane smirked when asked about his drinking.
- KarlKarlsson

I think Kane has always done his job splendidly. The organization as a whole is dealing with an offseason distraction in which we do not yet have enough evidence/information(might not ever) to say whether or not Kane could have avoided it or not. And for the record i saw him have a couple odd reactions during the press conference, not just that one smirk. But im not going to sit here and try to infer that he wasn't sympathetic enough to meet my standards based off that alone. I knew before even watching that it was going to be filled with awkward looks, awkward reactions, and not much clarity as far as words go. But it had to happen, and im glad its over with.

When has this alleged 'drinking problem' ever affected his job performance? He had the best season of his career (not counting last season, pre-injury of course) after the cabbie incident.
- CBHawks88

Ya, I should've clarified... all i meant was that if it impedes his ability to get on the ice, not what he does on it. If he's arrested, in court or in jail, he's not on the ice... the cabbie incident saw him arrested - to anyone else, that would impede your ability to go to work.

"On August 27, Kane and cousin pled guilty to noncriminal disorderly conduct charges, and were both given conditional discharges, avoiding any penalties if they stayed out of trouble for a year, and also ordered to apologize to Radecki."

If he gets convicted for or pleads guilty to any assault again, I bet it won't result in a conditional discharge.

I think Kane has always done his job splendidly. The organization as a whole is dealing with an offseason distraction in which we do not yet have enough evidence/information(might not ever) to say whether or not Kane could have avoided it or not. And for the record i saw him have a couple odd reactions during the press conference, not just that one smirk. But im not going to sit here and try to infer that he wasn't sympathetic enough to meet my standards based off that alone. I knew before even watching that it was going to be filled with awkward looks, awkward reactions, and not much clarity as far as words go. But it had to happen, and im glad its over with.
- SimpleJack

I agree with most of what you said, but this didn't need to happen today.

I agree with most of what you said, but this didn't need to happen today.
- KarlKarlsson

Camp starts tomorrow. The longer the wait, the worse things would have been, the more questions people would have had to answer on Kane's behalf only for Kane to inevitably speak himself. Why wait any longer?

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There is no two party system in Washington DC theres only one party and they are bought and paid for by the federal reserve
The president is a pupet for the real power behind the curtain
- molly2522

Ever watched Bill Still's video on the Federal Reserve? Amazing stuff.

He had an older 3-hour video, but the more recent re-make at 80 minutes or so is fantastic.

It's going to be an interesting training camp, and JJ I have to admit that's some funny stuff about Rundblad, turn the corner, unless he's gotten a whole bunch grittier I guess we'll see, concerned Daley's hip is giving him trouble that's not good at all.

As far as Kane this is exactly what I thought would happen unless he was indicted or convicted of the crime he's not going anywhere. There is no doubt Rocky remembers being a player or 2 away from winning cups when his father owned the team,

The organization will sponsor woman groups going forward and hopefully this adversity will scare Kane straight and it'll be a bittersweet union going forward.

What return would satisfy you if Kane were traded, assuming he's cleared of all wrongdoing?

Prospects and picks? Would you settle for a 1-for-1 trade that you lose slightly, but provides top 3 skill?
- KarlKarlsson

Prospects, picks and cap room.

Spot on this was the one area where they did put themselves in a bad spot. Must admit I'm baffled as to why Cambria agreed to let Kane speak at all. The prepared statement, well you all heard it, who came up with that?
- walleyeb1

Not if the settlement is already signed sealed and delivered just waiting for the gj to get through any and all witnesses.

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I agree with most of what you said, but this didn't need to happen today.
- KarlKarlsson

I wouldn't have held a presser... just release a statement if needed. I wouldn't have Kane at the camp for the first week anyway, but would've had him play in the last two preseason games. If you needed to do a presser, either don't invite media and just tape it in private, or have the media there and don't take questions... but I'm not in charge.

Ladies and gents,

Please refrain from posting content that includes political views. There is a place for it on the internet, but that place is not here.

I will delete posts that contain political content. I may even issue bans.

Let's keep the conversation to the topic at hand, please.

Thanks.
- EKB13

Sounds like someone works for the banking cartel