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mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Sep 17 @ 4:33 PM ET
During a cross examination Kane would actually speak and give details of his version of the situation. Addressing the media for the first time, even if he's innocent would be an uncomfortable situation.
- DarthKane



Yea but he looked like pooptttt
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Sep 17 @ 4:35 PM ET
And you're going to believe what YOU want as well. It's pretty clear you don't care for the guy. Most of this board has succumbed to the JJ mind trust/hive mind mentality. God forbid we wait for any concrete information or facts to come out. My "independent sources" tell me this should be wrapped up shortly.

Let's play hockey.

- Coca


There's what I want and what I believe will happen based on what I hear.

You've got "independent sources"? Great. that's what's great about America. You should start a blog. Go for it.

Thanks for shooting the messenger. Surprised it took this long. Trust me, buddy, I'm used to it by now. Don't (frank)ing care either. Have a nice day.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Sep 17 @ 4:35 PM ET
THEY HAD TO do a controlled media event, and now watch, nothing. No one will get near him. They had to do a controlled release of information to satisfy the press.
- John Jaeckel


I totally agree!

They hadn't said anything for so long the hired some one to carefully word and lay out their concerns, and "support" and we want all to know there are a whole lot more Blackhawk players we ca focus on as camp starts so do that, ok?

Too bad Kaner didn't practice the statement he was given a few more times so he didn't flub it.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Sep 17 @ 4:35 PM ET
One might argue that you,Mr. Jaeckel, have had your own agenda/slant to the Kane story from the beginning. Why do you want/expect him gone so badly??
- EnzoD


You make it sound like someone hopes he's guilty of a terrible crime.

It's far from being the case.
Dannyboy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.25.2010

Sep 17 @ 4:36 PM ET
Or, as I heard, they wanted Kane to voluntarily announce he wad taking a LOA to not distract form the team and work this stuff out. Think about it. If they did, and he refused (which was his right, but maybe not the smartest choice), what do you think McD said to him (with Rocky's full blessing)?
- John Jaeckel


JJ - Do you think the Hawks handled the Kane situation well? I would have preferred he read his statement and just left instead of taking questions after or is that part of the Hawks plan making Kane squirm and stir in the bullpoop he created.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Sep 17 @ 4:36 PM ET
One might argue that you,Mr. Jaeckel, have had your own agenda/slant to the Kane story from the beginning. Why do you want/expect him gone so badly??
- EnzoD



Why?

Because what I hear repeatedly and see with my own eyes tells me something you refuse to believe?

Hello?

TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Sep 17 @ 4:36 PM ET
Based on everyone's comments on his performance in a controlled event, how would he do on the stand being cross examined by an aggressive DA? If there are settlement discussions, the price just went way up.
- Canada Cup


Not sure that is true. On the stand, if Kane is truly innocent and believes as much he can state with conviction what really happened and all the DA aggression means nothing.

His look was more of a kid who finally had some of the smug wiped off his face as his actions finally came back as real repercussions, whether that is being traded, having his endorsements pulled, etc.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Sep 17 @ 4:36 PM ET
JJ - Do you think the Hawks handled the Kane situation well? I would have preferred he read his statement and just left instead of taking questions after or is that part of the Hawks plan making Kane squirm and stir in the bullpoop he created.
- Dannyboy



I think they did the best job possible under the circumstances. Yes.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Sep 17 @ 4:37 PM ET
You make it sound like someone hopes he's guilty of a terrible crime.

It's far from being the case.

- Pecafan Fan



Exactly, but they just don't like what I'm saying. So, it becomes about me. Been down this road before.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 17 @ 4:38 PM ET
http://espn.go.com/chicag...ual-assault-investigation

Sorry if this has already been posted.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Sep 17 @ 4:38 PM ET
Based on everyone's comments on his performance in a controlled event, how would he do on the stand being cross examined by an aggressive DA? If there are settlement discussions, the price just went way up.
- Canada Cup


Really!

Too bad the can't pay a PR firm to actually take the stand, because you are right, if I were the opposing law firm, after Kane's double negative chant, I know his defense will not let him on the stand and they will have to pay a bit more now...
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 17 @ 4:38 PM ET
During a cross examination Kane would actually speak and give details of his version of the situation. Addressing the media for the first time, even if he's innocent would be an uncomfortable situation.
- DarthKane



This is a night out in the bar with his boys compared to being cross examined in a rape trial.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Sep 17 @ 4:38 PM ET
Really looks like Kane was supposed to come to the press conference with a present and couldn't deliver it. No way he should have been making a statement on his own unless it was to say it was over. No attorney. No agent.

Something upset the entire group - hard to believe it was anything but the settlement falling apart or being delayed. They rightfully blamed Kane for the awkwardness and couldn't hide it.

- tredbrta



This!!
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Sep 17 @ 4:39 PM ET
I'm out for today.

PM me if you have questions/ comments. Thx
Dannyboy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.25.2010

Sep 17 @ 4:40 PM ET
I think they did the best job possible under the circumstances. Yes.
- John Jaeckel


Not surprising, some of the 670 Score dopes are bashing what the Hawks did on Twitter and Mark Lazerus, who I usually like, retweeted a few tweets about how other writers/reporters thought it was a bad idea to do what they did and want to flame the Hawks.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Sep 17 @ 4:40 PM ET
Why?

Because what I hear repeatedly and see with my own eyes tells me something you refuse to believe?

Hello?

- John Jaeckel



Fine, I give up. Trade the scumbag and lets see what happens! The scumbag who has not yet been charged with a criminal offense, mind you. Why? Because THE BRAND! you know the brand that was built off John McD's crafty advertising campaigns and the "One Goal" billboards. Oh wait, THE BRAND was built on Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews' shoulders....
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 17 @ 4:40 PM ET
"I cannot apologize enough for the distraction this has caused my family, teammates, this incredible organization and, of course, our fans," said Kane, flanked by team officials including team president and CEO John McDonough. "While I have too much respect for the legal process to comment on an ongoing matter, I am confident once all the facts are brought to light I will be absolved of having done nothing wrong."

Why would you want to be absolved of having done nothing wrong?
DirkGraham
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 11.02.2012

Sep 17 @ 4:40 PM ET
Exactly, but they just don't like what I'm saying. So, it becomes about me. Been down this road before.
- John Jaeckel


Illigitimi Non Carborundum, JJ. Most of us here love reading your take on things, even when we might not agree.
DMCsPulledHammy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Schaumburg, IL
Joined: 06.15.2014

Sep 17 @ 4:40 PM ET
Man, the look on Kane's face shows him being scared, embarrassed and ashamed.
I for one think he's a good kid who enjoys his life outside of hockey like anybody does away from work. Probably a bit too much, but it is what it is. He believes he will be exonerated from this, so if nothing happened, nothing happened. Just another night out on the town during his own personal time.

Now for the Hawks contemplating trading him. I dont believe the marketing BS that McCub says, since EVERY league, EVERY team, etc. says the SAME EXACT THING. We hold everyone to High standards, yada yada yada. There are individuals everywhere that have a dark cloud hanging over them in every organization. What skeletons are in his closet???

So why would some team trade FOR HIM if the Hawks dont want him anymore? Is that saying that the other team has a lower standard than the Blackhawks Organization. I just think it's BS. Stan is like his second father, who better knows him than Bowman and who better to have him correct his personal life and be a mentor now? And now Stan may be asked to trade him? That's crap. Why do they employ the great Bobby Hull then? Riddle me that? And WHO asked Bobby to come back?? uhh, yeah it was John McCub. Nobody ever brings that up? A little hypocritical if you ask me.

Time heals all wounds and Kane WILL show his remorse and prove to his teamates, his family and the Blackhawks Organization that he is not that type of guy. I'm glad Kane had the balls to sit by the douche reporters, whether or not he was forced to by management, but he did what he had to do. I commend him! Nobody has the balls to ask puppetmaster McD that sort of thing.

Go Hawks!

- stan-ley-cups


One, because Brandon Marshall is a d-bag but there's always a team that says "We can change him; he's that type of player" and they take a chance on him. He's on his best behavior in Year 1 and back to the normal a-hole in Year 2.

Two, what is his track record in showing remorse? What makes you think this is different?
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Sep 17 @ 4:41 PM ET
"Asshat reporters" - I'm with ya. The hawks supposedly have a few rookies that could light it up and I never heard one question about any of them. Finally Toews mentioned the younger players about 25 minutes in. Tim Sassone, Bob Verdi. There's your list of beat reporters that have had a clue in the past 50 years. Brutal.
- 6628

Yeah there were the ones trying to re=Kane it and teh Chris Kuc starts throwing softballs.

I am convince (as i have for years) most of these hockey reporters cover the info they are given and have no clue of what the moves mean, who the new faces are how far they are along, the squeeze and open competition this camp involves...
No...they were too preoccupied with how they were going to word the Kane in camp story to think past it...
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Sep 17 @ 4:42 PM ET
Or, as I heard, they wanted Kane to voluntarily announce he wad taking a LOA to not distract form the team and work this stuff out. Think about it. If they did, and he refused (which was his right, but maybe not the smartest choice), what do you think McD said to him (with Rocky's full blessing)?
- John Jaeckel


Interesting. The whole thing seems badly managed for a marketing "genius" like McD. Even if he was going to announce he was taking a LOA absent a settlement why no legal presence - not even his agent - at his side?

Bad optics. Not McD's thing. Weird. Announcing a leave of absence under these circumstances requires a press conference? It seems that would be more easily handled via press release and the PC could have been more controlled. Really feels more like this was meant to be an "It's over. Back to hockey." event that was turned upside down by the $84m brat.
TedJacob
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.02.2011

Sep 17 @ 4:44 PM ET
Yes, that's what I mean. I'm surprised he couldn't answer those questions. I think any person would feel bad about putting a team, teammates and organization in a tough spot.
- Hank3Henshaw


The reason he can't do that is because he will be asked under oath by DA or an attorney in a civil suit: why did you say you were sorry if you didn't do anything wrong? Why were you a distraction? etc.

The whole point of today's press conference was to let the media ask a bunch of questions they know that Kane and the team won't (and shouldn't) answer.

I know that the twitter and the press are in a (predictable uproar) but frankly given the difficulty and delicacy of the issue I think McDonough & Co. did a tremendous job.

If you watched it and can read behind the lines, it is quite clear McDonough is not happy to go through this charade and you can bet you will be hearing from him at the "appropriate time".
matt_ahrens
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Carlos, CA
Joined: 06.30.2014

Sep 17 @ 4:46 PM ET
Kane is gone. Only a matter of time. Just listen to what McD is saying about the quality of their decisions. . . the ability to change and move on. WOW.

Now talent development.

- John Jaeckel



That's my read too. Kane is in camp because they couldn't keep him away. Maybe it was the NHL thinking it would be a bad precedent or the NHLPA saying they'd fight it or whatever. He's there because the Blackhawks were backed into a corner and that makes this entire situation that much worse for Patrick Kane. The press conference showed the tension that McDonough is feeling. He wants Kane gone. It's only a matter of time. Then maybe Kane grows up.


Dannyboy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.25.2010

Sep 17 @ 4:48 PM ET
Fine, I give up. Trade the scumbag and lets see what happens! The scumbag who has not yet been charged with a criminal offense, mind you. Why? Because THE BRAND! you know the brand that was built off John McD's crafty advertising campaigns and the "One Goal" billboards. Oh wait, THE BRAND was built on Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews' shoulders....
- EnzoD


Alright. We get it. You're a Patrick Kane fanboy and thinks he squeaky clean and has never done anything wrong because he's never been charged in any incdients or there's no evidence or you didn't see any wrongdoing with your very own eyes.

I for one am torn on whether to keep him or not IF he doesn't get charged with a crime, however, you cannot deny the existing pattern of misbehavior with this 26 year old clown.

Kiss your Patrick Kane fathead on your bedroom wall and chill out son.
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Sep 17 @ 4:48 PM ET
If they traded Kane.....they can kiss winning cups good bye

Players aren't your friends....and they aren't role models. Never should be.

He's a winner on the ice. Unless they can get a player of equal value...they should keep him.
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