I would argue Quick is average
- PhillySportsGuy

Mike Quick is horrible, the only reason he is on the broadcast is to dumb it down for the neanderthal type listener base

Roman Chechmanek
Ilya Bryzgalov
Antero Niittymaki
Ray Emery
Jeff Hackett
Esche
Sean Burke
- Cape Breton Bruins

their best goalie in the last decade is playing for another team too

Giroux got old, their best defensemen is 20, their goaltending was awful this year, their "depth" is overrated and their coach isn't very good.
- PhillySportsGuy

once he got paid he decided not to be good anymore. sweet deal

I would argue Quick is average
- PhillySportsGuy

Might have a case there. Elite stats in one of their Cup wins. I think it was the first one.

their best goalie in the last decade is playing for another team too
- daeth

This is true.

Alright I am willing to accept that with an elite dman(top 5) and elite coaching staff/system of play you can overcome the lack of an elite goalie to win.

Seems like you need to full-fill at least 2 of the 3.

Might have a case there. Elite stats in one of their Cup wins. I think it was the first one.
- Cape Breton Bruins

Guys Detroit used weren't great either. Fleury was solid, but not elite.

once he got paid he decided not to be good anymore. sweet deal
- daeth

He's not as bad as his numbers would indicate. You probably can't pencil him in as a good 1C anymore though. Flyers really need to come up the heir apparent to Giroux.

Quick pretty much won them the cup on his own the first time they won.

He's not as bad as his numbers would indicate. You probably can't pencil him in as a good 1C anymore though. Flyers really need to come up the heir apparent to Giroux.
- PhillySportsGuy

At 8 million that's pretty hard to stomach.

Guys Detroit used weren't great either. Fleury was solid, but not elite.
- PhillySportsGuy

Goalies just need to get hot at the right time

Alright I am willing to accept that with an elite dman(top 5) and elite coaching staff/system of play you can overcome the lack of an elite goalie to win.

Seems like you need to full-fill at least 2 of the 3.
- Cape Breton Bruins

Has any team in the salary cap era ever won a Cup without both a top 10 center and top 10 Dman?

Has any team in the salary cap era ever won a Cup without both a top 10 center and top 10 Dman?
- PhillySportsGuy

carolina

i still don't believe they won though. maybe it was just a weird dream.

At 8 million that's pretty hard to stomach.
- daeth

Yeah, but he still has value. He's still a top 6 guy and arguably the best PP forward in hockey. That makes him a $6M player. So they eat $2M per year and can write it off as "leadership"

carolina

i still don't believe they won though. maybe it was just a weird dream.
- daeth

It should really just be erased from the record books

It should really just be erased from the record books
- PhillySportsGuy

edmonton winning that year would have been just as weird, if not weirder

Has any team in the salary cap era ever won a Cup without both a top 10 center and top 10 Dman?
- PhillySportsGuy

I guess it depends on how you define a top 10 centre? Strictly points or other factors as well?

Bergeron and Krejci probably weren't considered top 10 centres when Boston won. Savard was their #1 before he was brain stew.

But again they had the system, the goalie and the dman.

edmonton winning that year would have been just as weird, if not weirder
- Crimsoninja

im glad pronger left. we wouldn't have the why you heff to be mad bryz quote if he didn't.

I guess it depends on how you define a top 10 centre? Strictly points or other factors as well?

Bergeron and Krejci probably weren't considered top 10 centres when Boston won. Savard was their #1 before he was brain stew.

But again they had the system, the goalie and the dman.
- Cape Breton Bruins

bergeron wasn't considered a top 10 center because everyone is an idiot. toews was considered the best in the league at the time by some people and he's never been as good as bergeron overall.

edmonton winning that year would have been just as weird, if not weirder
- Crimsoninja

It would have just been explained away as Pronger being great. There really is no explanation for Carolina.

bergeron wasn't considered a top 10 center because everyone is an idiot. toews was considered the best in the league at the time by some people and he's never been as good as bergeron overall.
- daeth

Ty

Sports fans can be fickle. Krejci was criminally underrated during that time too. Led the playoffs in scoring twice and that entire collapse against Philly in 2010 was kicked off by his injury.

I still remember texting Crims about my concerns when it was 3-1.

I guess it depends on how you define a top 10 centre? Strictly points or other factors as well?

Bergeron and Krejci probably weren't considered top 10 centres when Boston won. Savard was their #1 before he was brain stew.

But again they had the system, the goalie and the dman.
- Cape Breton Bruins

Bergeron is and was every bit an elite 1C. Easily one of the best forwards in hockey.

Ty

Sports fans can be fickle. Krejci was criminally underrated during that time too. Led the playoffs in scoring twice and that entire collapse against Philly in 2010 was kicked off by his injury.

I still remember texting Crims about my concerns when it was 3-1.
- Cape Breton Bruins

Krejci was/is a playoff beast

Ty

Sports fans can be fickle. Krejci was criminally underrated during that time too. Led the playoffs in scoring twice and that entire collapse against Philly in 2010 was kicked off by his injury.

I still remember texting Crims about my concerns when it was 3-1.
- Cape Breton Bruins

the fact that that sorrow could only be harvested for about 11 months is still one of the most unbe(frank)able™ personal sports events for me of all time

it could have yielded plentiful bounties of lush, delicious sorrow for years, even decades

the fact that that sorrow could only be harvested for about 11 months is still one of the most unbe(frank)able™ personal sports events for me of all time

it could have yielded plentiful bounties of lush, delicious sorrow for years, even decades
- Crimsoninja

Gotta admit it was nice having that Roenick goal against the Leafs for so long