Agreed. We've shipped out a lot of prospects already without having really seen their full or even part of their potential. We've picked up Kane, RoR, Lehner, Bogo. Leave the team be for now and see what we have before changing it up again.
- sskkoo1

Still will have some post on here that we are lacking in places. Could be true but it's pretty much impossible to have a perfect team. Too much tinkering can ruin it .

You're right, I don't want to do it, I kind of made that clear. But the fact remains Stamkos had 72 pts. last year coming off the injury and he was on a very offensively talented Tampa team, he's not as fast as he was, and for the 10+ million a year his contract extension is going to command, he's not worth it. He should be putting up a 100 pts on that team in a full season.

As for Kane, well until this mess all gets figured out, he's nothing but poison. 10.5 million dollars a year poison.
- sskkoo1

Stamkos also faces the oppositions top defense pairing and best defensive forwards. The rest of the Tampa lineup gets to play against the lower D pairings. Those 43 goals he had is just AWFUL.



EDIT: Do you know how many guys in the NHL hit 100 points last year? 0. Absolutely nobody.

Still will have some post on here that we are lacking in places. Could be true but it's pretty much impossible to have a perfect team. Too much tinkering can ruin it .
- cabin

As it looks right now, they could use another top 6 RW and a top 4 LHD. However, you never know how things are gonna shake out once the season starts. I'm of the opinion that there were so many changes made to this roster this offseason that it's best to leave things be at the moment and see where the chips fall.

Stamkos also faces the oppositions top defense pairing and best defensive forwards. The rest of the Tampa lineup gets to play against the lower D pairings. Those 43 goals he had is just AWFUL.



EDIT: Do you know how many guys in the NHL hit 100 points last year? 0. Absolutely nobody.
- HonkFortheGoose

14/15-0
13/14-1 next closest was 87
12/13-0 Lockout year
11/12-1 next closest was Stamkos at 97
10/11-1 next closest was 99
09/10-4
08/09-3
07/08-2
06/07-7
05/06-7


26 times a player has scored 100+ points in the last 10 years.

23 times were in the 1st 5 years.

The previous 10 years

31 times from 93/94-02/03 it happened with 7 in 93/94 and 13 in 95/96.


(Just trying to help you case)

Stamkos also faces the oppositions top defense pairing and best defensive forwards. The rest of the Tampa lineup gets to play against the lower D pairings. Those 43 goals he had is just AWFUL.



EDIT: Do you know how many guys in the NHL hit 100 points last year? 0. Absolutely nobody.
- HonkFortheGoose

I'm well aware that nobody had hit a 100 pts. last year, and I respect your opinion that you like Stamkos. I myself think he is a terrific player. My opinion of trading for him though, is that he would just cost too much for what we'd be getting back. Yes, he goes up against other teams top tier defense, but what star player doesn't? His contract extension will be north of ten million, and his production is roughly a point a game. Know who else scores at roughly a point a game? Dany Heatley. Now, of course I'm not saying in anyway that these two players are on the same level, but at the end of the day it's all about points on the board and these two put up similar numbers. I just think you could get three quality NHL players who put up good numbers for the same price as one Stamkos. We'll being paying Eichel ten million in about five years so we really won't be needing to do the same with an aging Stamkos by then.

14/15-0
13/14-1 next closest was 87
12/13-0 Lockout year
11/12-1 next closest was Stamkos at 97
10/11-1 next closest was 99
09/10-4
08/09-3
07/08-2
06/07-7
05/06-7


There have been 26 times a player has scored 100+ points in the last 10 years.

23 times were in the 1st 5 years.

(Just trying to help you case)
- dadeadhead

We've been talking about this from time to time over the last few years. Even if Crosby had played every game this year (he missed 5) and scored the 1.09 points he averaged, he still would have been under 90.

Scoring in the league in general is down. It hit an all time high the years after the 04-05 lockout and has been steadily declining since then.

We've been talking about this from time to time over the last few years. Even if Crosby had played every game this year (he missed 5) and scored the 1.09 points he averaged, he still would have been under 90.

Scoring in the league in general is down. It hit an all time high the years after the 04-05 lockout and has been steadily declining since then.
- HonkFortheGoose

See my edit.

It only happened 31 times the previous 10 seasons with 20 of them coming in 2 seasons.

The 10 seasons before 122 times.

We've been talking about this from time to time over the last few years. Even if Crosby had played every game this year (he missed 5) and scored the 1.09 points he averaged, he still would have been under 90.

Scoring in the league in general is down. It hit an all time high the years after the 04-05 lockout and has been steadily declining since then.
- HonkFortheGoose

It's worse than that. At least in the first dead puck era star players were still dominating. The NHL today for a number of reasons (rules, cap etc.) just isn't a game that lets star players shine, quite the opposite actually.

14/15-0
13/14-1 next closest was 87
12/13-0 Lockout year
11/12-1 next closest was Stamkos at 97
10/11-1 next closest was 99
09/10-4
08/09-3
07/08-2
06/07-7
05/06-7

(Just trying to help you case)
- dadeadhead

Ryan Miller was playing full time then. Bet he helped those 7 players hit 100

I'm well aware that nobody had hit a 100 pts. last year, and I respect your opinion that you like Stamkos. I myself think he is a terrific player. My opinion of trading for him though, is that he would just cost too much for what we'd be getting back. Yes, he goes up against other teams top tier defense, but what star player doesn't? His contract extension will be north of ten million, and his production is roughly a point a game. Know who else scores at roughly a point a game? Dany Heatley. Now, of course I'm not saying in anyway that these two players are on the same level, but at the end of the day it's all about points on the board and these two put up similar numbers. I just think you could get three quality NHL players who put up good numbers for the same price as one Stamkos. We'll being paying Eichel ten million in about five years so we really won't be needing to do the same with an aging Stamkos by then.
- sskkoo1

I don't want to trade what we'd need to in order to get Stamkos either. I just have an issue with you saying he's not as productive since he broke his leg. I don't think that's true at all. Yes, his point totals are down. but to say that's the result of him losing a step since his broken leg isn't accurate. His point totals that season before and after the injury aren't that different. He had 23 points in 17 games prior to the injury, and 17 points in 20 games afterwards. Not exactly the drop off you're insinuating.

He is absolutely one of the most dominant players in the game right now. It's silly to even try and say he's not as good anymore.

I don't want to trade what we'd need to in order to get Stamkos either. I just have an issue with you saying he's not as productive since he broke his leg. I don't think that's true at all. Yes, his point totals are down. but to say that's the result of him losing a step since his broken leg isn't accurate. His point totals that season before and after the injury aren't that different. He had 23 points in 17 games prior to the injury, and 17 points in 20 games afterwards. Not exactly the drop off you're insinuating.

He is absolutely one of the most dominant players in the game right now. It's silly to even try and say he's not as good anymore.
- HonkFortheGoose

My only hope is that Eichel, Reinhart and whomever else it costs is able to double his production. That equates to it being better for the Sabres to me. The cost to get Stamkos would be insane and if the pieces that we would have to give up (likely Eichel, Reinhart ++) are able to exceed Stamkos' production, then we win the non-deal. Plus, I would rather keep Eichel and Reinhart.

My only hope is that Eichel, Reinhart and whomever else it costs is able to double his production. That equates to it being better for the Sabres to me. The cost to get Stamkos would be insane and if the pieces that we would have to give up (likely Eichel, Reinhart ++) are able to exceed Stamkos' production, then we win the non-deal. Plus, I would rather keep Eichel and Reinhart.
- thatsapickle

I would rather keep them as well. I, in no way, want to give up what it would take to get Stamkos. I'm perfectly content to watch him play for a different team in the NHL.

I would rather keep them as well. I, in no way, want to give up what it would take to get Stamkos. I'm perfectly content to watch him play for a different team in the NHL.
- HonkFortheGoose

If things fall through with Tampa this year, and he some how makes it to free agency, then I will jump on the train to open the checkbook. I don't want to lose any of the pieces we have in place to get him.

Interesting note:

Satan was named GM of Team Europe for the World Cup. I saw that on Gunner's blog.

Tim Murray called about stamkos

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...ll-stamkos-possibilities/

Tim Murray called about stamkos

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...ll-stamkos-possibilities/
- gerbe75pts

I have to wonder...Stamkos is good and he wants to play center....Why wouldn't you trade Filppula or Johnson for a winger and let him take one of the center spots?

I have to wonder...Stamkos is good and he wants to play center....Why wouldn't you trade Filppula or Johnson for a winger and let him take one of the center spots?
- seedy

My guess is they prefer him at RW but who knows that trade for a winger may happen this year.

I have to wonder...Stamkos is good and he wants to play center....Why wouldn't you trade Filppula or Johnson for a winger and let him take one of the center spots?
- seedy

Right? Seems odd that they'd rather move Stamkos so he can play the position he wants instead of one of the other guys.

But he is only a 3c......











- CoHo_to_B-Lo

Dammit I'm hours late to slap you

Dammit I'm hours late to slap you
- Buffalo--Sabres

It's never too late to slap a female dog...

It's never too late to slap a female dog...
- jochfr

Is Wayne Brady gonna have to....

NEWS: The #Avs have acquired Brandon Gormley
Could work out

NEWS: The #Avs have acquired Brandon Gormley
Could work out
- yen6d1

‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
UFA D Cody Franson is currently in BUF and expected to finalize on Thursday a two-year contract. AAV is expected to be around $3.3M.

- DDM-Coga

I take a shot over him than Franson.. lol i like that trade for the avs, any idea what they gave up?