I'd prefer jones too, but like I said, not in the nhl. Hanfin might end up being better than nurse too, but I love nurse
- petry_02

SKJEIIIIIIIIII

SKJEIIIIIIIIII
- rangerdanger94

I considered putting that in there just for you

He would have been 5 if he was still here
- Matt_Henderson

hmmm ... interesting... why did they trade him again? (marincin)

hmmm ... interesting... why did they trade him again? (marincin)
- AlfieisKing

MacT questioned his "compete"

He would have been 5 if he was still here
- Matt_Henderson

Way too high

Way too high
- Lahey

He positively affected possession better than every defender we had not named Petry. That matters. Also dirt cheap and should have helped clear out $$$ from the 5-6-7 spots on the blueline.

The reason he's more important that Nurse is what he brings to the organization outside of on the ice . . . management, coaching staff, free agents, legitimacy . . . hope!

You can debate all you want what is more important, scoring titles or a rock/tree on the blueline but McDavid is the most important thing to happen to the oilers since Gretz. Period.

hmmm ... interesting... why did they trade him again? (marincin)
- AlfieisKing

He didn't prove he could be an everyday nhl'er.

Maybe lose the trade in the long run, but as of now, we moved for a guy that is at least a true nhl defender. Even if it is just a 3rd pairing physical guy.
And with a group of young defenders that we're already waiting on that also probably have much higher ceilings, proven nhl level depth was something we could use more of at the moment.

And considering how desperate this young group that has known nothing but losing is for some real success immediately, the deal made sense for a lot of reasons

The reason he's more important that Nurse is what he brings to the organization outside of on the ice . . . management, coaching staff, free agents, legitimacy . . . hope!

You can debate all you want what is more important, scoring titles or a rock/tree on the blueline but McDavid is the most important thing to happen to the oilers since Gretz. Period.
- GWnorth

I don't think anyone would debate those intangibles you speak of such as attracting talent etc.

But in terms of on ice success right now, the fact is that we need a true 1 stud on the backend much much worse than a true 1c.
Period

And to go a step further, nothing gives legitimacy or makes mgmt look like geniuses etc. more than winning does

Just a random question, but if we had resigned/extended Petry, would our defense be enough to get the us into the playoffs this year? This is considering that all other variables are still in play (Getting McDavid, signing Sekera, getting Talbot, etc).

Sekera-Petry
Klefbom-Schultz
Ference-Gryba

It was a HUGE mistake of trading Petry......
Just a question to think about...

Just a random question, but if we had resigned/extended Petry, would our defense be enough to get the us into the playoffs this year? This is considering that all other variables are still in play (Getting McDavid, signing Sekera, getting Talbot, etc).

Sekera-Petry
Klefbom-Schultz
Ference-Gryba

It was a HUGE mistake of trading Petry......
Just a question to think about...
- EdmHockeyMan

he wanted to play in the playoffs and was gonna walk.
and the market wasn't nearly as high for him as many of us hoped.
its too bad, cause im not at all shocked how quickly those who didn't know anything about him other than "he must be bad cause he plays on the oilers and gets lit many nights", changed their tune.
he was easily the habs best defencemen in that lightning series imo.

one can say mact shoulda resigned him the offseason prior to a deal he wasn't yet worth hoping it worked out (which it would've) but the same people who are pissed in hindsight that he got moved, woulda been pissed at that time as well.

assuming klefbom isn't yet a top pairing guy (which he isn't) and probably wont quite reach until beyond this season, a petry/sekera top pairing would be pretty nice to have (two true #2's)

but just for argument sake; the money saved on petry long term might actually be better suited used on the nurse's/klefboms.
2 vets on our second pairing at over 11 mil would probably be tough to work around when kids are wanting raises.
probably not something we'd need to worry about for at least 2-3 years. but just sayin

The things I would do to have Nurse in our prospect pool.

I'm risking a ban just thinking about them.

he wanted to play in the playoffs and was gonna walk.
and the market wasn't nearly as high for him as many of us hoped.
its too bad, cause im not at all shocked how quickly those who didn't know anything about him other than "he must be bad cause he plays on the oilers and gets lit many nights", changed their tune.
he was easily the habs best defencemen in that lightning series imo.

one can say mact shoulda resigned him the offseason prior to a deal he wasn't yet worth hoping it worked out (which it would've) but the same people who are pissed in hindsight that he got moved, woulda been pissed at that time as well.

assuming klefbom isn't yet a top pairing guy (which he isn't) and probably wont quite reach until beyond this season, a petry/sekera top pairing would be pretty nice to have (two true #2's)

but just for argument sake; the money saved on petry long term might actually be better suited used on the nurse's/klefboms.
2 vets on our second pairing at over 11 mil would probably be tough to work around when kids are wanting raises.
probably not something we'd need to worry about for at least 2-3 years. but just sayin
- Ihateallofu

He walked because MacT made Nikitin and Schultz the future of our defense and challenged the one all-around guy that was quite stable for us.

He walked because MacT made Nikitin and Schultz the future of our defense and challenged the one all-around guy that was quite stable for us.
- Lahey

Neither of them were given long term deals.
If signing petry short term is 'challenging' him, then how is what they've done with Schultz any different all?

Neither of them were given long term deals.
If signing petry short term is 'challenging' him, then how is what they've done with Schultz any different all?
- HB77

You don't challenge a guy that put in the years who's going to be a UFA a one year deal. It's the dumbest thing a GM can do.

It's not just about the deal. When did Petry ever get praise? It was always about what future Norris Trophy Candidate was going to do and what the addition of Fayne and Nikitin were going to do. Petry was essentially pushed to the side.

From day one I said we should've dealt him instead of signing him to that stupid deal. I'm sure last summer we could've gotten something worth while for him.

You don't challenge a guy that put in the years who's going to be a UFA a one year deal. It's the dumbest thing a GM can do.

It's not just about the deal. When did Petry ever get praise? It was always about what future Norris Trophy Candidate was going to do and what the addition of Fayne and Nikitin were going to do. Petry was essentially pushed to the side.

From day one I said we should've dealt him instead of signing him to that stupid deal. I'm sure last summer we could've gotten something worth while for him.
- Lahey

of course you don't. but that's what petry wanted.
I seriously don't see how it can be seen any other way.
mact was even asked this question and he made it clear last summer he was uncomfortable with the "exposure" the oilers were forced into with a the 1 year deal going into ufa status.

of course as I mentioned, he can be blamed for putting himself in that position by not signing petry to a long term deal he hadnt yet earned the summer before (which clearly would've worked out in the oilers favour) but hindsight is pretty easy.

im not slagging petry at all either. he was easily our best defender and I wasn't at all shocked at how well he played in montreal with some insulation and actual help. but no one can say that before last season he had some real holes in his game.

the haters concoct all these silly scenarios as to what happened etc etc, and I suppose maybe theyre fantastical scenarios might be right. but when one thinks about it using some logic, its probably not that hard to figure out.
im sure mact could've gotten more last summer, but im sure he also knew that not only did he desperately need petry going into last season, he probably felt like there was at least a chance of him resigning. and as the season went on and petry did in fact meet those challenges and show he was unequivocally our best defender, the notion that mact didn't even contact him to resign is laughable.

yes that's right, he wanted petry to walk or go for a middling + low pick instead of resigning to a market value deal.
im not saying you are suggesting this, but some have and its an incredibly silly contention.

as I said, we can blame mact for not resigning him the season before, but who actually thinks its a stretch that petry asked for a deal he wasn't near worth last summer when he saw the opportunity to test free agency and achieve some actual success elsewhere? give me this or im out.

as far as the Schultz stuff, I cant really talk about the way they've been treated or accolades etc, but as far as contracts go, he hasn't been handed the keys yet.
hes been 'challenged' to prove that hes worth the big contract twice now.

of course you don't. but that's what petry wanted.
I seriously don't see how it can be seen any other way.
mact was even asked this question and he made it clear last summer he was uncomfortable with the "exposure" the oilers were forced into with a the 1 year deal going into ufa status.

of course as I mentioned, he can be blamed for putting himself in that position by not signing petry to a long term deal he hadnt yet earned the summer before (which clearly would've worked out in the oilers favour) but hindsight is pretty easy.

im not slagging petry at all either. he was easily our best defender and I wasn't at all shocked at how well he played in montreal with some insulation and actual help. but no one can say that before last season he had some real holes in his game.

the haters concoct all these silly scenarios as to what happened etc etc, and I suppose maybe theyre fantastical scenarios might be right. but when one thinks about it using some logic, its probably not that hard to figure out.
im sure mact could've gotten more last summer, but im sure he also knew that not only did he desperately need petry going into last season, he probably felt like there was at least a chance of him resigning. and as the season went on and petry did in fact meet those challenges and show he was unequivocally our best defender, the notion that mact didn't even contact him to resign is laughable.

yes that's right, he wanted petry to walk or go for a middling + low pick instead of resigning to a market value deal.
im not saying you are suggesting this, but some have and its an incredibly silly contention.

as I said, we can blame mact for not resigning him the season before, but who actually thinks its a stretch that petry asked for a deal he wasn't near worth last summer when he saw the opportunity to test free agency and achieve some actual success elsewhere? give me this or im out.

as far as the Schultz stuff, I cant really talk about the way they've been treated or accolades etc, but as far as contracts go, he hasn't been handed the keys yet.
hes been 'challenged' to prove that hes worth the big contract twice now.
- Ihateallofu

I know it's impossible for some people to grasp this, but Jeff Petry didn't want out of Edmonton until MacT and Eakins made sure he knew that he wasn't part of the plans to be here. I've reported on this. I've been given that info from credible sources. It's been confirmed by other reports. Petry didn't want to walk away from Edmonton. He was told in no uncertain terms that the team was going to trade him. The only offers he received were for well below market value. So low that it would have been insane to accept them.

I know it's impossible for some people to grasp this, but Jeff Petry didn't want out of Edmonton until MacT and Eakins made sure he knew that he wasn't part of the plans to be here. I've reported on this. I've been given that info from credible sources. It's been confirmed by other reports. Petry didn't want to walk away from Edmonton. He was told in no uncertain terms that the team was going to trade him. The only offers he received were for well below market value. So low that it would have been insane to accept them.
- Matt_Henderson

too funny how the conspiracy theory and the bombastically idiotic moves that no gms make (that also happen to go along with your narrative) are the ones that are the " truth" while the logical and rational scenario couldn't possibly be what happened

if youre trying to infer that theres anything more than conjecture from you on how much petry wanted to be here and didn't take his opportunity to bolt this season etc etc, then its a flat out lie.
you are absolutely welcome to believe the media and his agent when they said mact didn't contact petry during the season. but I certainly don't. theyre driving home their agenda. just as I am allowed to believe mact when he said that was a ridiculous assertion. because it really is.
he was told in no uncertain terms that he was going to be traded when negotiations broke down (or were nonexistent) but. I find It laughuable that youre still trying to sell that mact didn't want petry at a reasonable market value rate, but instead wanted a 3rd and a 5th rounder for him

and I don't care what you reported. youre just a dude that likes the oilers like everybody else here.
for the most part I think you have a pretty reasonable grasp on the squad and the game of hockey. but this isn't to say I put any extra stock whatsoever into your thoughts, because I also often feel like your a little too status quo zombie fan saying the same nonsense as the rest of the retards. at least in the "blame mact" stories.

this isn't meant as an attack. its meant to make sure that's its clear that your narrative is absolutely NOT fact. and as ive mentioned previously, kind of the irrational scenario. but it certainly lends itself to those who want to "blame mact"

too funny how the conspiracy theory and the bombastically idiotic moves that no gms make (that also happen to go along with your narrative) are the ones that are the " truth" while the logical and rational scenario couldn't possibly be what happened

if youre trying to infer that theres anything more than conjecture from you on how much petry wanted to be here and didn't take his opportunity to bolt this season etc etc, then its a flat out lie.
you are absolutely welcome to believe the media and his agent when they said mact didn't contact petry during the season. but I certainly don't. theyre driving home their agenda. just as I am allowed to believe mact when he said that was a ridiculous assertion. because it really is.
he was told in no uncertain terms that he was going to be traded when negotiations broke down (or were nonexistent) but. I find It laughuable that youre still trying to sell that mact didn't want petry at a reasonable market value rate, but instead wanted a 3rd and a 5th rounder for him

and I don't care what you reported. youre just a dude that likes the oilers like everybody else here.
for the most part I think you have a pretty reasonable grasp on the squad and the game of hockey. but this isn't to say I put any extra stock whatsoever into your thoughts, because I also often feel like your a little too status quo zombie fan saying the same nonsense as the rest of the retards. at least in the "blame mact" stories.

this isn't meant as an attack. its meant to make sure that's its clear that your narrative is absolutely NOT fact. and as ive mentioned previously, kind of the irrational scenario. but it certainly lends itself to those who want to "blame mact"
- Ihateallofu

I'll save you all the reading; He says the stories are conjecture.

I'll save you all the reading; He says the stories are conjecture.
- fry

that's not what i said. either that or you don't actually understand the meaning of conjecture.

if youre gonna try and post something clever, it generally works better if you actually are clever

too funny how the conspiracy theory and the bombastically idiotic moves that no gms make (that also happen to go along with your narrative) are the ones that are the " truth" while the logical and rational scenario couldn't possibly be what happened

if youre trying to infer that theres anything more than conjecture from you on how much petry wanted to be here and didn't take his opportunity to bolt this season etc etc, then its a flat out lie.
you are absolutely welcome to believe the media and his agent when they said mact didn't contact petry during the season. but I certainly don't. theyre driving home their agenda. just as I am allowed to believe mact when he said that was a ridiculous assertion. because it really is.
he was told in no uncertain terms that he was going to be traded when negotiations broke down (or were nonexistent) but. I find It laughuable that youre still trying to sell that mact didn't want petry at a reasonable market value rate, but instead wanted a 3rd and a 5th rounder for him

and I don't care what you reported. youre just a dude that likes the oilers like everybody else here.
for the most part I think you have a pretty reasonable grasp on the squad and the game of hockey. but this isn't to say I put any extra stock whatsoever into your thoughts, because I also often feel like your a little too status quo zombie fan saying the same nonsense as the rest of the retards. at least in the "blame mact" stories.

this isn't meant as an attack. its meant to make sure that's its clear that your narrative is absolutely NOT fact. and as ive mentioned previously, kind of the irrational scenario. but it certainly lends itself to those who want to "blame mact"
- Ihateallofu

I told you, you refuse to listen. I had my own source. I broke the story. I don't need to hear from the media.

He did not make Petry a single offer over the course of last season and what he offered in the summer was millions off of market value. Via source. Not via media, not via agent through the media. Via a source Ive repeatedly staked my own reputation on and with information that has over and over again been supported by others.

that's not what i said. either that or you don't actually understand the meaning of conjecture.

if youre gonna try and post something clever, it generally works better if you actually are clever
- Ihateallofu

if youre trying to infer that theres anything more than conjecture from you on how much petry wanted to be here and didn't take his opportunity to bolt this season etc etc, then its a flat out lie.

Take your own advice and stop posting.

Take your own advice and stop posting.
- fry

Again, you drastically misunderstand.

I said HE (Matt) was using conjecture. the stories he uses as evidence to form his conclusion haven't used conjecture as you say stated in your summation of my post. Because they're not using conjecture at all. They're misrepresenting the information.


Shush

I told you, you refuse to listen. I had my own source. I broke the story. I don't need to hear from the media.

He did not make Petry a single offer over the course of last season and what he offered in the summer was millions off of market value. Via source. Not via media, not via agent through the media. Via a source Ive repeatedly staked my own reputation on and with information that has over and over again been supported by others.
- Matt_Henderson

Your 'source' doesn't hold an ounce of validity. At least in terms of Mact refuting the claims that he never contacted petry. I choose to believe his actual words rather than a story I heard.

As far as the offer or lack thereof, that's semantics. If petry and him weren't in contact, negotiations couldn't have taken place. Furthermore, I haven't seen any concrete information of the offer you speak of. But even if it was below market value, his worth is just your opinion, nothing more. Without even getting into the fact that gms should absolutely try and negotiate as friendly a deal as possible, petry was not worth the dollars he just got, 2 summers ago.

End of the day, I'm going to base my opinion on a logical series of events as I see it.
And you're welcome to follow the narrative you try to push that it's all macts fault.
But it certainly is NOT fact