Wanna blog? Start your own hockey blog with My HockeyBuzz. Register for free today!
 
Forums :: Blog World :: John Jaeckel: Hawks Moving Forward
Author Message
darklighter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.11.2015

Sep 4 @ 1:26 PM ET
Being a "trust but verify" kind of guy, I've been following MexicoHawk's posts (interesting and informative) and the amateur detective work trying to uncover who he is. The concensus seems to be Brad Palmer, a 1st round draft choice of Minnesota in the 1980 draft who played in two seasons with Minnesota and then one with Boston.

The part that's confusing to me is MexicoHawk stated in a post he was called up and played in a few games in the 79-80 season but he didn't really count it as a full year. Rather, he counted the 80-81 season as his first year, which was the year the North Stars went to the Finals and lost to the Islanders in five games.

Wouldn't it be impossible to be called up during the 79-80 season since he wasn't drafted until June 1980?

The stats show Brad Palmer played part of the 80-81 season with Victoria in the WHL (juniors) and then 20+ games with Minnesota and then the playoffs.

Not trying to stir the pot here, just pointing out some information that doesn't seem to jive.

- Hofmeister


I was confused by that too. Then I ran across this: http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8450133. It reports that Brad Palmer played three games in 1980-81 for "Minnesota North Stars-DN-Cup," getting 0 points and 2 penalty minutes. The DN cup was a 4-team tournament played Sweden in late September 1980 featuring the Capitals, the North Stars, and two Swedish teams. (See http://www.greatesthockey...nhl-overseas-history.html.)

So, if Mex is Palmer, then it's probably just a wonky memory of the DN Cup.
Joe-snoopy-Cool
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 04.05.2013

Sep 4 @ 1:26 PM ET
....And if a Grand Jury is assembled it is because the DA feels there might be due cause for an indictment.
- Al



I also believe the DA needs to appear to be doing ALL in his power to
look like he is protecting the people if he is looking to be political

Kind of getting a second opinion, covering his back

Otherwise some could say "just another rich kid" statement and turn against
him.
Most likely lose the female vote if the spin Dr. of political wrangling is used by
his opponent

Smart move to a city that is watching

Dannyboy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.25.2010

Sep 4 @ 1:31 PM ET
Being a "trust but verify" kind of guy, I've been following MexicoHawk's posts (interesting and informative) and the amateur detective work trying to uncover who he is. The concensus seems to be Brad Palmer, a 1st round draft choice of Minnesota in the 1980 draft who played in two seasons with Minnesota and then one with Boston.

The part that's confusing to me is MexicoHawk stated in a post he was called up and played in a few games in the 79-80 season but he didn't really count it as a full year. Rather, he counted the 80-81 season as his first year, which was the year the North Stars went to the Finals and lost to the Islanders in five games.

Wouldn't it be impossible to be called up during the 79-80 season since he wasn't drafted until June 1980?

The stats show Brad Palmer played part of the 80-81 season with Victoria in the WHL (juniors) and then 20+ games with Minnesota and then the playoffs.

Not trying to stir the pot here, just pointing out some information that doesn't seem to jive.

- Hofmeister


You're looking into this way too much. Why the hell would your first post of an account you created today be this? That part is confusing to me.
matt_ahrens
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Carlos, CA
Joined: 06.30.2014

Sep 4 @ 1:32 PM ET
I also believe the DA needs to appear to be doing ALL in his power to
look like he is protecting the people if he is looking to be political

Kind of getting a second opinion, covering his back

Otherwise some could say "just another rich kid" statement and turn against
him.
Most likely lose the female vote if the spin Dr. of political wrangling is used by
his opponent

Smart move to a city that is watching

- Joe-snoopy-Cool



If we can glean any information from the fact that the DA is using a grand jury it is that it wasn't a clear cut case either way. The good news is that it probably isn't a slam dunk rape conviction. The bad news is that enough suspicious happened that the DA doesn't feel strongly about clearing him of any charges without a GJ review.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Sep 4 @ 1:36 PM ET
you are obviously not a brady fan?
i dont believe for a second that brady deflated any balls.

- honeybunny


You my friend are either a liar, extremely gullible, or just a fool. Brady is as guilty as Goodall is hard-headed.
Dannyboy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.25.2010

Sep 4 @ 1:41 PM ET
You my friend are either a liar, extremely gullible, or just a fool. Brady is as guilty as Goodall is hard-headed.
- powerenforcer


Don't understand why people get up in arms about Brady doctoring the balls. He definitely wasn't the first and most QB's change the football to their liking. This whole thing was a witch hunt conducted by that pud Goodell.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 4 @ 1:42 PM ET
you are obviously not a brady fan?
i dont believe for a second that brady deflated any balls.

- honeybunny


Hawkeyes1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Evanston, IL
Joined: 06.14.2015

Sep 4 @ 1:50 PM ET
Don't understand why people get up in arms about Brady doctoring the balls. He definitely wasn't the first and most QB's change the football to their liking. This whole thing was a witch hunt conducted by that pud Goodell.
- Dannyboy


Again, you may well be right. But Tom Brady doctored footballs. I don't think its a big deal personally, but to go around and to see people saying how Brady could never do such a thing is simply ridiculous. He did it, was caught, and the NFL conducted a kangaroo court as they always do and someone fought back and won.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Sep 4 @ 1:50 PM ET
No Pokka for the rookie tournament??
- the_dough_boy


A AHL veteran is not a rookie camp prospect....
UCSB616
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: chicago, IL
Joined: 02.22.2015

Sep 4 @ 1:50 PM ET
Don't understand why people get up in arms about Brady doctoring the balls. He definitely wasn't the first and most QB's change the football to their liking. This whole thing was a witch hunt conducted by that pud Goodell.
- Dannyboy


People have a lot of misconceptions about Goodell. He's the voice of the owners, and is highly compensated to take the fall for their greed and misgivings. So the wrath he gets is expected. That said, he's a smart man who was dealt a really bad hand. I can tell you first hand that the owners and the NFL were hamstrung into the very procedures and policies the NFLPA complains about now by the forceful threat of the concussion lawsuits that were pending during the 2011 CBA negotiations. Because the union is so weak they easily conceded to all of the disciplinary procedures, including making the NFL commissioner the arbiter of disputes over the discipline he or she hands down.

So when a judge comes back and says the discipline handed down is outside the four corners of the document it really looks bad on all parties, given that this was the process both sides agreed to. It looks worse when the NFLPA cries afoul of a policy they had a heavy hand in crafting during those negotiations.

The bottom line is the NFL is trending downward despite the claims of inelastic demand for the consumer consumption of its product. That line of thinking is what is getting the league and the players in trouble. When the rules changes aimed at player safety (in response to concussion related litigation) are diluting the product the effects on elasticity of demand will be seen years down the road. How many people are turned off by the fact that every time your favorite team makes a huge defensive stop you have to suspend your elation waiting for an off-screen flag to fly in from the secondary (or near the QB)? Eventually that sort of thing adds up, as does "Did Dez Catch That Ball?"

Putting all of that on Goodell himself is misguided though. He's just the voice and the guy to throw rocks at. He doesn't do anything unilaterally. There are 32 voices in his ear (which is why it is ironic that Kraft sided with Brady after being on the committee drafting the disciplinary provisions).
BURDA13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.09.2015

Sep 4 @ 1:51 PM ET
Don't understand why people get up in arms about Brady doctoring the balls. He definitely wasn't the first and most QB's change the football to their liking. This whole thing was a witch hunt conducted by that pud Goodell.
- Dannyboy


Joe-snoopy-Cool
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 04.05.2013

Sep 4 @ 1:55 PM ET
If we can glean any information from the fact that the DA is using a grand jury it is that it wasn't a clear cut case either way. The good news is that it probably isn't a slam dunk rape conviction. The bad news is that enough suspicious happened that the DA doesn't feel strongly about clearing him of any charges without a GJ review.
- matt_ahrens



Perfect point. Just as I thought as well
Someone pointed out Sworn Statements can change knowing they
are under oath

NOT a quick fix. Sorry for the guys that are hanging tooth and nail

On Voynov; courts want to make it legal for him to leave and possibly
return per visa Good move as well if it had to come
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Sep 4 @ 1:58 PM ET
How's that saying go again? "Better to trade them a year earlier than a year later"
- blackhawk24


I think that adage will be lived by in the NHL especially now as the Cap has only crawled higher.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Sep 4 @ 2:01 PM ET
Does anyone know the answer to this question:

If Kane is suspended prior to training camp AND the Blackhawks get cap relief while he is suspended, when can they use that cap space to sign Kruger? Immediately or once the season starts?

- matt_ahrens


I am fairly certain the cap space relief would come into play after the season begins...But this doesn't happen very often and Bettman has this rulebook in his pocket.
EbonyRaptor
Joined: 03.28.2013

Sep 4 @ 2:02 PM ET
I gotta say that I didn't think anything would make me yearn for more of the Kane rape accusation talk but the Brady deflategate discussion is pushing me in that direction.

I don't give a rat's patootie about Brady or deflated footballs ... jeez louise
matt_ahrens
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Carlos, CA
Joined: 06.30.2014

Sep 4 @ 2:10 PM ET
I am fairly certain the cap space relief would come into play after the season begins...But this doesn't happen very often and Bettman has this rulebook in his pocket.
- Al



Thanks Al!
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Sep 4 @ 2:22 PM ET
I was confused by that too. Then I ran across this: http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8450133. It reports that Brad Palmer played three games in 1980-81 for "Minnesota North Stars-DN-Cup," getting 0 points and 2 penalty minutes. The DN cup was a 4-team tournament played Sweden in late September 1980 featuring the Capitals, the North Stars, and two Swedish teams. (See http://www.greatesthockey...nhl-overseas-history.html.)

So, if Mex is Palmer, then it's probably just a wonky memory of the DN Cup.

- darklighter



Mex has told everyone repeatedly he is former NorthStar draftee (he said in a post he was taken right after Jerome Dupont was selected by the Blackhawks in 1980 in posts...talked about his injury and trade to Boston...)
He told us he was then the assistant to the guy President Clinton appointed to be in charge of the Kennedy assassination i believe it was.

His handle has a January 25, 2012 intro to buzz date, but just hasn't really been posting until the last seven months, but you could say the same forme not becoming a regular until later when I thought I met a good group of posters here...)
His avatar is a photo of Brad Palmer, off a hockey card.
So I guess from day one, we weren't being asked to be on the down low about his identity. We are outright being told.

(I never thought about using a picture of myself as my avatar but JJ does, and he's not that pretty...)

I don't know about that business of forgeting when you started playing pro hockey; I know the exact date I started teaching, the exact classroom, etc. when you start a new adventure of a career, you are both intimidated and expansive in your memories because it is all so new.

Is there a slim chance that someone set up an account, found an old hockey card, made sure their first posts involved accounts and life descritions that might get the blog posters ferreting around to solve the puzzle and get lead to the fact that they are a former player, with deeper insight, and firmer grasp of the way NHL clubs/things work, and a perspective that we all would have trouble questioning, because we can't say we know so & so, or that things are done this way not that way.
(JUST LIKE THE FACT THE PERSON WHO JUST ASKED the QUESTION, signed up TODAY.)
So I guess, we can take things as they are, or we each can let each other submit questions to be answered to prove Al Cimaglia is the guy from the radio, I am the guy from the prospects website, and JJ is...well, JJ.

I have taken a vacation from the site because personally I can be part of anymore debate on Kaner, not until there is some true deliberation.
and don't care what StLBravesFan Stjam, 6628, ArlingtonRob, TrueGrit, or MexicoHawk
think on the present because it soon will morph into reality...with legal movement f some sort in the Buffalo area.

It is a sad state...too close to the real world that I come here to avoid.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Sep 4 @ 2:28 PM ET

I didn't know this, but found it very interesting:

The Grand Jury
What is a Grand Jury?
Under New York State law, unless the defendant consents, all felony cases must be presented to the Grand Jury. Grand Juries are empowered to hear evidence presented by prosecutors, and to take various actions regarding the evidence and legal charges they are to consider. The Grand Jury can also conduct independent investigations. Grand Juries sit for a term of approximately one month. Each Grand Jury is comprised of 23 citizens who hear and examine evidence concerning offenses and take action based on such evidence.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 4 @ 2:31 PM ET
I didn't know this, but found it very interesting:

The Grand Jury
What is a Grand Jury?
Under New York State law, unless the defendant consents, all felony cases must be presented to the Grand Jury. Grand Juries are empowered to hear evidence presented by prosecutors, and to take various actions regarding the evidence and legal charges they are to consider. The Grand Jury can also conduct independent investigations. Grand Juries sit for a term of approximately one month. Each Grand Jury is comprised of 23 citizens who hear and examine evidence concerning offenses and take action based on such evidence.

- walleyeb1


Consents to what?
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Sep 4 @ 2:34 PM ET
Mex has told everyone repeatedly he is former NorthStar draftee (he said in a post he was taken right after Jerome Dupont was selected by the Blackhawks in 1980 in posts...talked about his injury and trade to Boston...)
He told us he was then the assistant to the guy President Clinton appointed to be in charge of the Kennedy assassination i believe it was.

His handle has a January 25, 2012 intro to buzz date, but just hasn't really been posting until the last seven months, but you could say the same forme not becoming a regular until later when I thought I met a good group of posters here...)
His avatar is a photo of Brad Palmer, off a hockey card.
So I guess from day one, we weren't being asked to be on the down low about his identity. We are outright being told.

(I never thought about using a picture of myself as my avatar but JJ does, and he's not that pretty...)

I don't know about that business of forgeting when you started playing pro hockey; I know the exact date I started teaching, the exact classroom, etc. when you start a new adventure of a career, you are both intimidated and expansive in your memories because it is all so new.

Is there a slim chance that someone set up an account, found an old hockey card, made sure their first posts involved accounts and life descritions that might get the blog posters ferreting around to solve the puzzle and get lead to the fact that they are a former player, with deeper insight, and firmer grasp of the way NHL clubs/things work, and a perspective that we all would have trouble questioning, because we can't say we know so & so, or that things are done this way not that way.
(JUST LIKE THE FACT THE PERSON WHO JUST ASKED the QUESTION, signed up TODAY.)
So I guess, we can take things as they are, or we each can let each other submit questions to be answered to prove Al Cimaglia is the guy from the radio, I am the guy from the prospects website, and JJ is...well, JJ.

I have taken a vacation from the site because personally I can be part of anymore debate on Kaner, not until there is some true deliberation.
and don't care what StLBravesFan Stjam, 6628, ArlingtonRob, TrueGrit, or MexicoHawk
think on the present because it soon will morph into reality...with legal movement f some sort in the Buffalo area.


It is a sad state...too close to the real world that I come here to avoid.

- wiz1901


But do you care what I think?
druryisclutch
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 09.21.2006

Sep 4 @ 2:37 PM ET
Consents to what?
- Aetherial

They could bring the felony charges against him if he were prepared to accept some kind of plea deal, thus avoiding the grand jury process. Just one example.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Sep 4 @ 2:37 PM ET
Consents to what?
- Aetherial


To waiving the Grand Jury
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Sep 4 @ 2:41 PM ET
But do you care what I think?

- carcus

Hofmeister
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 09.04.2015

Sep 4 @ 2:45 PM ET
You're looking into this way too much. Why the hell would your first post of an account you created today be this? That part is confusing to me.
- Dannyboy


What's it to you? I've been reading for a while, been following the dialogue, looked it up and found some things that didn't jive, that's all.
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Sep 4 @ 2:46 PM ET
Mex has told everyone repeatedly he is former NorthStar draftee (he said in a post he was taken right after Jerome Dupont was selected by the Blackhawks in 1980 in posts...talked about his injury and trade to Boston...)
He told us he was then the assistant to the guy President Clinton appointed to be in charge of the Kennedy assassination i believe it was.

His handle has a January 25, 2012 intro to buzz date, but just hasn't really been posting until the last seven months, but you could say the same forme not becoming a regular until later when I thought I met a good group of posters here...)
His avatar is a photo of Brad Palmer, off a hockey card.
So I guess from day one, we weren't being asked to be on the down low about his identity. We are outright being told.

(I never thought about using a picture of myself as my avatar but JJ does, and he's not that pretty...)

I don't know about that business of forgeting when you started playing pro hockey; I know the exact date I started teaching, the exact classroom, etc. when you start a new adventure of a career, you are both intimidated and expansive in your memories because it is all so new.

Is there a slim chance that someone set up an account, found an old hockey card, made sure their first posts involved accounts and life descritions that might get the blog posters ferreting around to solve the puzzle and get lead to the fact that they are a former player, with deeper insight, and firmer grasp of the way NHL clubs/things work, and a perspective that we all would have trouble questioning, because we can't say we know so & so, or that things are done this way not that way.
(JUST LIKE THE FACT THE PERSON WHO JUST ASKED the QUESTION, signed up TODAY.)
So I guess, we can take things as they are, or we each can let each other submit questions to be answered to prove Al Cimaglia is the guy from the radio, I am the guy from the prospects website, and JJ is...well, JJ.

I have taken a vacation from the site because personally I can be part of anymore debate on Kaner, not until there is some true deliberation.
and don't care what StLBravesFan Stjam, 6628, ArlingtonRob, TrueGrit, or MexicoHawk
think on the present because it soon will morph into reality...with legal movement f some sort in the Buffalo area.

It is a sad state...too close to the real world that I come here to avoid.

- wiz1901


You know I used to play in the Federal League
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37  Next